On Fri, 31 Mar 1995 venus@gate.net wrote:
> To answer that question <what evidence do you have to support your view that
> there is no reality beyond the physical?>
I think the question of non-physical realities is valid and important,
yet I can also see where the venus project's context can bypass the
issue, at least for now, and get on with the work at hand.
I think that handling the physical needs and other matters of
non-esoterica will only be a help to the exploration of other realities
and religious matters. While we are constrained by unneccesary
physical-world motivations in a money-distorted society, most will have a
hard time following their bliss the fullest extent.
Also, I think that we should not assume that the physical universe is all
there is. To assume that all of our bad habits and disfunctions are a
result of this lifetime and environment is only one viewpoint (one with
which I happen to strongly disagree.) Even so, I strongly support the
goals of the venus project and other new-civ types of efforts.
And, most importantly, I see no no of either idea by the other.
> I do not understand your interpretation. We may have semantic differences in
> the way we interpret the words physical or reality. I do not understand your
> use of the words beyond the physical. I only refer to the fact that human
> systems evolve in a culture. They require food, clothing ,shelter, love,
> warmth, and a physiological propensity to share with others. All phenomena is
> based on interaction of radiant energy in a world and universe that is subject
> to physical laws and processes that interact with one another. All systems
> seem to respond to these physical laws that comprise our world even the
> metaphysicians. They too are subject to the laws of gravity. If you are
> referring to the metaphysical interpretation of life I suggest you discus the
> problems with theologians or other metaphysician.
> If there is a non physical reality we cant deal with it because it is
> non referential. We at The Venus Project do not concern ourselves with the
> metaphysical and old philosophical interpretation of the meaning of life. If
> it has no physical referent how can we interact or even discuss it. If this is
> where you are at then the burden of proof is really your problem.
> Our major concern is the redesign of a culture and to elevate human
> beings to their highest potential. Very simply stated, we feel this can only
> be accomplished by surpassing scarcity and the money based society with all
> its inherited superstitions and folkways and distorted sense of morality. This
> system is responsible for many of our social problems such as greed, self
> centered behavior, environmental degradation, etc. When we come into the world
> we come in with a clean slate bigotry, racism, nationalism, jealousy,
> superstition, greed, self centered behavior are all learned patterns of
> behavior which are strengthened or reinforced in our upbringing.
> Jacque Fresco - The Venus Project
>
Bob Hiltner <bobhilt@eskimo.com>
"It is not enough to do well (and I hope you do), you must also do good"
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