New Civilization News: Terror in Madrid |
Category: Violence, War 15 comments 12 Mar 2004 @ 10:42 by govi : Hi¡¡Hello Ming Thanks for your attention in these painful moments, in which we are immersed. 12 Mar 2004 @ 11:51 by shawa : We live in Spain So yes, it´s being hard, though not as hard as if we were living around or near Madrid. We know people there, however, a lot! And we´re talking, after the event. Very interesting analysis you make, Ming. Goes along the same line we share here. 12 Mar 2004 @ 12:53 by magical_melody : Very good Flemming, Your words are spot on, "So, if you follow my logic here, 9-11 was most likely masterminded by folks who wanted to turn the United States into a much more tightly controlled society, and who wanted greatly increased power and resources given to military activities, with greatly lessened checks and balances" And yes you got that right about people abstracting personal tragedies because they are way over there. It is time to put all the pieces together. That means giving voice and taking actions now which facilitate this one voice being heard in every quadrant of the world. Yes and goodbyes to Aznar and Bush, and to their agendas! 12 Mar 2004 @ 17:29 by bushman : Agree It's in deep poop. infowars.com, has a video about the Bohemian Grove, with live footage of what goes on, and whos involved. They are the people that profit from all the mayhem they creat. They are a lucifarin cult, and all countries are involved in it. Scull and Bones, is just 1 lodge of many world wide. The system is so rigged, how can you vote them out, when the compitition is part of the scam? America is already Boned. 12 Mar 2004 @ 18:27 by vibrani : Spain The solidarity of the Spanish people is a good and strong sign, however what is it they are up against? Should the Basques have their own country? Maybe what happened in Spain was to separate the Muslims from the non-Muslims? The loss of any life is sad, but I think it's especially more horrific (as intended) through such acts. Why is it so easy to see the U.S. as the culprit but you can't fathom anything else? The U.S. did not concoct 9/11 and have people fly planes into buildings - that's just the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and when someone has that kind of thought in them there is nothing anyone can say or prove that will change their minds. If anyone would want the U.S. to have tighter controls on freedom - think about it - it would be religious fanatics who are terrified (ergo terrorism) of the West and freedom and influences their own culture that ironically in some ways tries to imitate us and come to the U.S.for education and business connections and then when they have that, they throw it back in our faces. They can't accept change, progress, individuality, etc. Yes, 9/11 caused things to happen that caused us to put our own freedom in jeopardy because it went from one extreme to the other, and that isn't right and will be balanced out, I'm sure. If you are talking about the U.S. as being a little naive or not paying attention to warnings about what was going on in the world, yes, the U.S. was just that. There are still those Saudis, etc. who flew planes on 9/11 and they are responsible for that. 9/11 was a wake-up call about the interconnectedness of humanity, about individuals instead of nations. If you think this has anything to do with one guy in a cave in Pakistan or Afghanistan, Bin Laden, calling the shots, and that if he's captured all terrorism will end, you have no idea how the networks of terrorists operate. "If the terrorist had been true in heart, true to their religious standards, they would not have performed this attack and the others that have come before this. These attacks came about out of fear, a paradox you see, for they believe their actions will cause fear in the minds of others. Terrorists do not want to recognize or admit their own fears: their illusion of separation and fear of intimacy. They have chosen to increase their communication, without respect, without care for life, and in the hopes they can control and manipulate others through fear that also lasts beyond the actual event. The terrorist attitude is 'let's strike out and blow up airplanes and buildings, and kill as many as we can, and let's do it before they get wise and know that we are living in fear. We do not want others to know that, for if they know we are in fear then we are vulnerable.'" [a channeled message from Dr. Peebles] What is the way out of fear? Love. 13 Mar 2004 @ 02:06 by Ge Zi @24.126.196.158 : follow the money Hi Flemming, I guess that hit far more home for you than it does here - interesting how distance can make a difference. And Max told me he was in spain in a train station - ok - different city - but that's coming to be rather uncomfortably close, doesn't it? These events can be really rather confusing, if you don't look at them with the idea of finding out who really has an advantage - as you call it "follow the money". I think I noticed that the first time after the shooting in Columbine when suddently the gun-controller had no problems pushing ani-gun-legislation, that before they had - to say the least - a few troubles with. So, I guess they must have been very happy about that shooting. I can't help wondering if that happiness is a happiness as in "job well done" ... 13 Mar 2004 @ 10:46 by bushman : Bones in spain? According to this there is. {http://www.thecyberfarm.com/otherstuff/scullnbones/buenavista1.htm} 13 Mar 2004 @ 17:51 by vaxen : Nice... article Flemming but do you seriously think that by getting rid, i.e.,supposedly 'voting' out the present, so called, Government leaders that things will change? The New World Order is one order with many, many, faces...in parlance known as 'the Octopus.' The best one can hope for is that people, worldwide, will stop listening to their 'leaders,' turn off al communications mediae, get in tune with the God/Buddha within and refuse to take up arms for anyone or anything... Throw their wretched insurance scripts into the streets and or burn it and disband Governments everywhere and have an Earth day, a day "OUT OF TIME"... http://watch.pair.com/reich.html 13 Mar 2004 @ 19:06 by ming : Voting No, I don't think it in itself makes a lot of immediate difference exactly who one votes in or out. But it makes a big difference that the population realizes it has the power to choose its leaders, or whether it wants any at all. It does take some consistent action to get things to really change, and it might start with us finding out power to say yes or no. 13 Mar 2004 @ 19:38 by martha : I second that thought "The best one can hope for is that people, worldwide, will stop listening to their 'leaders,' turn off al communications mediae, get in tune with the God/Buddha within and refuse to take up arms for anyone or anything... "- thanks vax, I'm with you. 13 Mar 2004 @ 20:36 by magical_melody : Time to stop believing in set-ups! As if smart murderers would place specific items to implicate themselves, a van with detonators and Koranic verses? Yeah right! Wow! --In Madrid alone two million people took to the streets, the Web site of El Mundo newspaper said. Spanish PM plays up politics of blame Finding ETA guilty would help Aznar win re-election Isabel Vincent National Post {link:http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6c28cf18-c924-4984-95e5-739e48afcd71} The Basque separatist group ETA has denied responsibility for the train bombings that killed nearly 200 people in Spain. News Global {link:http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DDCF4FF4-F277-45BD-9344-54F4FDB846CD.htm} 13 Mar 2004 @ 23:56 by maxtobin : Interesting thread Again follow the money or ask who benefits as the obvious way to get beyond the immediate and the story we will be presented with. Same hidden agenda as before, eh wat!! {link:http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/98/387/12259_Madrid.html|Another take on this one} Interesting comparison with the Octopus as the descriptor here, our Polynesian friends have a story of the Octopus climbing trees to eat the flowers (Nectar eaters not Lotus eaters!!), BUT you have to be very aware to see them at it!! Also the Octopus is the only marine animal that is known to take on the SHARK and kill it in the region. We will get back to you if we get some guidance on reasons and perpetrators. One thing for sure it aint far from an illuminati-ng experience. 15 Mar 2004 @ 03:53 by ashanti : With people like you... ...Lugon, you *do* have a chance. Spread the meme. Talk about it. You'd be surprised how it ripples out. We are with you. 15 Mar 2004 @ 16:32 by ming : Choices Indeed, I think those are very positive aspects. Instead of falling into the trap of submitting themselves to more of the same, by giving in to fear and supporting excalated violence, they got engaged and kicked out the people who mostly are responsible and who clumsily tried to lie to them. And it happened very quickly. It might indeed by a tipping point of some importance. 19 Mar 2004 @ 11:50 by shawa : Yes! Feels good to see people thinking, instead of blaming. The cell phone thing is fascinating. 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