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Category: Philosophy 15 comments 25 Jun 2004 @ 21:27 by ov : Hesse and Colin WilsonHesse was quite the glass bead in his own right and more connections within that brain than in your average human. Hesse also influenced a lot of creative minds and he made big ripples in a big pond. After my first girlfriend brushed me off I won her back by buying her a copy of Damien which setup a date for the next weekend which was when I lost my viriginity and it was like way cool, we screwed the sun down and watched it come up again. About six months or so ago I started exploring the Outsider series of books by Colin Wilson, there are six books in the series and it explores different aspects of the development of the existentialist issues and Hesse is included in one of the later stages of that process. I've scanned "The Strength To Dream" which is the book on imagination, just to see the checkmarked parts and there are a few points about how all of Hesse's works are like spiritual road trips to self discovery. I remember reading quite a bit about the glass bead game but I think it was in the first "Outsider" which I currently have loaned out. A couple of months ago I went down to the super cheap bin at my favorite used book store and the find of the day was Magister Ludi for 25 cents, so it has been sitting on my to read pile. Another one of those great coincidences. Thanks to the internet a quick search turned up this {link:www.reinventingyourself.com/#orderhesse|e-book} with the following description: "Fascinating insights into Hesse's personal search for truth. A concise, compelling analysis of Hesse's life and work. Wilson provides an important assessment of classic novels such as The Glass Bead Game - for which Hesse won the Nobel Prize - as well as all-time favorites, Siddhartha and Steppenwolf. Wilson's first book, The Outsider, effectively put Hesse back on the map, resulting in the Hesse revival of the 1960s. This eBook edition contains the complete 48 page text of the original paperback edition. Wilson eBooks are available for personal, non-commercial use only, and are not for resale." As far as anticipating the Web there are lots of contendors. Vannevar Bush, science advisor to Truman back in 1945 has the memmex machine, and Ted Nelson with Xanadu had an electronic vision since then, and before any of these there were the enclycopedists such as Hegel with his nine level deep outline of the thesis antithesis synthesis triade, and before that there was Leibniz with the underlying code for the universal languages, so there have been some people that have been waiting a long time for the Web to actually materialize. I'll have to check out David Abram's book, it sounds interesting. 26 Jun 2004 @ 04:15 by jazzolog : Books About The Book I had a professor in college (Philosophy of Science) who claimed to have played the game with fellow grad students at Harvard. He so beamed Truth when he talked about it that many of us headed for Hesse at once...and read not only Magister Ludi---but everything! You know how that goes. It's a book that begs for rereadings through one's life---which I have not done and sounds like a good project for this very day. At any rate, I suggest that folks find a copy---in whatever language you are comfortable (Hesse's if possible)---and get started. THEN look up the commentaries. 26 Jun 2004 @ 04:21 by shawa : Reading it again... ...as new synapses appear in the brain, and we understand - grok - what it´s all about, - making the Glassperlen connections... :-) The Spiel sounds a lot like a dream about the Internet, true. 26 Jun 2004 @ 08:40 by ming : Glassperlen I'm glad some of you smart folks have read it. I've ordered it now. Anyway, interestingly, I actually prefer to approach a book like that. Hear it mentioned, look up some commentaries, hear what people say about it when I mention it. See what it triggers. And then go and read it. I've once or twice clashed with somebody who insisted I go read some particular book before we could have a meaningful conversation. Usually it was their own. You know, "I can't waste time talking with you, if you haven't studied the literature first", or, "I've already laid out all my views very well in my book, so there's no point in repeating them". Maybe not, if you see it that way. But what I find exciting are the connections that can be triggered here and now. Truth shines through, even if we haven't all read the same stuff or done the same things. And when the bells go off, it indicates that there's something deeper to pursue. Which actually is on topic here, I think. There's a primal language, or a game, which one might recognize, even in its multitude of forms or disguises. 26 Jun 2004 @ 09:15 by jazzolog : Confession In my younger days---when I actually might turn up at an early morning class a bit hung over---some of the best teaching I ever did arose from the fact I hadn't read the assigned chapter myself. When I asked those students for information, I REALLY wanted to know. 26 Jun 2004 @ 09:25 by ming : GBG Games John Fenderson says: "I keep a page full of Discordian games ({link:http://singlenesia.com/games|http://singlenesia.com/games}), and have three GBG-based games listed there:" {link:http://www36.pair.com/waldzell/GBG/|http://www36.pair.com/waldzell/GBG/} {link:http://rossterry.tripod.com/cardtrick2000n.html|http://rossterry.tripod.com/cardtrick2000n.html} {link:http://kennexions.ludism.org/|http://kennexions.ludism.org/}" Flemming says: Wow, cool! Those guys are not kidding around. I'm reading the Waldzell thing right now. 28 Jun 2004 @ 16:32 by Quirkeboy @209.92.185.201 : Whanna huh wuh?? Speaking of lack of education.. (from other blog).. I have never read Hesse.. but Im having a hard time decoding the Glass Bead Game from that Waldzell link: http://www36.pair.com/waldzell/GBG/ I assume its a game wherein you attempt to connect something to the systems they are part of and categorize them in a hierarchy.. but why all the simantics? If its just categorizing.. then it has all the appeal (to me) as creating a card catelogue.. what am I missing? (besides a few brain cells!!) The instructions for the game are just as confusing as the game itself. 28 Jun 2004 @ 17:15 by ming : GBG I can't really see much sense in his examples of games either. But the way I seem to read it, it is about creating structures, ontologies, with which one then connects up analogies from diverse fields. Like, creating a certain set of abstract patterns that one can find in maybe music, architecture and quantum physics. Seems meaningless if we only use arbitary symbols. But very useful, maybe, if we find, for example, the pattern of rhythm in several fields. And find how the notation of music can be mapped on to the field of car repair, or something. But, I must admit, I don't quite get it yet either. But there seems to be something there. Maybe the infinite game of finding meta-patterns that apply to as many diverse fields as possible, and that actually are useful for them. 28 Jun 2004 @ 17:52 by ov : Reading Hesse now Richard suggested reading the Glass Bead Game before reading about it and I'm about a third of the way through it and would like to thank him for that advice. A great book so far and I'm surprised I haven't read it before. I think this book would be a great candidate for a wiki such as the {link:www.metaweb.com|Stephenson's Baroque Cycle} and I'm spotting lots of great connections. I heard an interesting comment yesterday on the {link:www.cbc.ca/tapestry/|CBC Tapestry} program by rabbi Kushner when he said that poetry was that which is lost in translation. I think that playing a glass bead game online with a poetry rather than a musical foundation would uncover some very interesting channels that would allow a person to travel forward and backward through cultural time. This could simply be because I've found a poetry connection within myself whereas musical talent eludes me. Or perhaps it is because if poetry rather than music was used as the foundation Hesse would have been obligated to provide examples since he was working in a text medium but with music he could avoid the issue without it becoming an issue. There are a lot of structures in poetry and poetry is not JUST about feelings. 4 Jul 2004 @ 21:12 by ov : Music and GBG This next piece of information that I just heard on the radio relates to Polymaths, Glass Bead Games, Open Source, Music and Humanities. The word is rubato and it is a musical term that was described as the push and pull of tempo (which I thought was quite OrgasmoVolution)and the robbing from one note to give to another (heh that's my name and what I do) So I googled it, and found that it had it's own website {link:www.rubato.org|www.rubato.org} and found out that it was an open source project (because the original run out of funds) for the analysis of music. The following quote is from the top link. "This concept is not only a corollary of information technology. It resides on the approach of mental experiments with the subjects of humanities. In fact, human nature distributes over a vast spiritual topography requiring reciprocal exploration. This latter cannot ordain models ex officio but has to test them under the standards of exact science. However, it is only with information technology that experiments in mental models have become possible: The computers are the particle accelerators of the humanities." The work is being done at the multi-media lab in Zurich (city that first published the Glass Bead Game in German; you didn't think Hitler would have allowed something like that do you). It has collaborators in the fields of statistics, musicology and semiotics. I have a strong strong feeling that there are others. Rubato -- Definitely Glass Bead Material. 5 Jul 2004 @ 16:24 by ming : GBG Great. I've gotta make a wiki for organizing stuff like that. Anyway, coming up. 9 Jul 2004 @ 14:08 by ov : GBG Perhaps that wiki might work well as a repository for a lot of this Mayan material that has fallen into my lap in the last 24 hours. Went to a three hour lecture last night on recent discoveries of the Mayan calendars, mainly the Tun which is the divine or prophetic calender, and it's interrelation to the Tzolkin which is the personal and astrological calendar. Previous Mayan calendar dating dealt with the Haab or Earth Calendar but this had a limited use, mainly just for when to collect taxes as a result of the crop harvests. The Tzolkin and Tun calendars were the cultural center for the civilization. This is a system for the timetable for creation from 16 billion years ago, and now at the steep part of the exponential curve we can see in hindsight that we are right on schedule. Check out the website at {link:www.mayanmajix.com/|www.mayanmajix.com}. So I took a quick look at the Waldzell site and I saw that they were using the Mayan Glyphs as part of the bead lanuguage, and so does the Tun and Tzolkin. I also noticed that the sacred language of the Mayans was rediscovered a few months ago which is also a project of the Waldzell but more recent than what they are working on. But it does seem to be totally aligned, imho. {link:www.mayanmajix.com/art439a.html|'Lost' sacred language of the Maya is rediscovered} By David Keys Archaeology Correspondent 07 December 2003 Linguists have discovered a still-surviving version of the sacred religious language of the ancient Maya - the great pyramid-building civilisation that once dominated Central America. For years some Maya hieroglyphic texts have defied interpretation - but now archaeologists and linguists have identified a little-known native Indian language as the descendant of the elite tongue spoken by rulers and religious leaders of the ancient Maya. The language, Ch'orti - spoken today by just a few thousand Guatemalan Indians - will become a living "Rosetta Stone", a key to unravelling those aspects of Maya hieroglyphic writings which have so far not been properly understood. Over the next few years dozens of linguists and anthropologists are expected to start "mining" Ch'orti language and culture for words and expressions relating to everything from blood-letting to fasting. ------- there's more ------- You want to talk about meta and games, well it just doesn't get anymore meta-game than this, the ontological cosmological by design(telelogical) three classic arguements for the proof of God, each of which is endorsed by the 'church' but now synthesized. heheheh this just keeps getting better all the time, I can hardly wait to see what happens next week. 9 Jul 2004 @ 17:49 by ming : Mayan calendars I also had in mind writing something about Arguelles' Earth Ascending, which certainly ties in here. Yeah, interesting stuff. 9 Jul 2004 @ 18:09 by ov : GBG At the talk last night Ian mentioned Arguelle's work. He had started with that and had some books printed up and even had them in the bookstores. Then he went to some kind of gathering in Arizona and there was a Mayan elder that came along, scoffed and pointed out that Arguelle had been working with the wrong calendar and was off by 54 days. So Ian immediately shut down his booth, and then later went and bought back all his books from the bookstores. After he had done this he recieved this whole new set of revelations about how all the stages of creation and the cosmic schedule was build up. He said he knew then that the first inspiration to convert Mayan dates to Gregorian was simply a test and it wasn't until he lost some of his money that he found out about the deeper mysteries. Ian didn't start out with this spiritual vision, he was simply a new age jewler that thought he could get in on the ground floor of the next trend and make some money. Then we he was working on sculpting the glyphs he had the first inspirations. These were nothing compared to what follows after he started using the different calenders. It still ends with the ascending, but there is a lot more, but the cosmic schedule also is confirmed with what we know from hindsight. Insights heaped on top of insights. 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