New Civilization News: Morals and Freedom |
Category: Communities 14 comments 29 Mar 2005 @ 19:02 by ming : The freedom to chooseIn general I think it is all about choice. Are we free to choose or not? Those things that take away our choice tend to limit our freedom. Obviously. Per definition, pretty much. Although there can be good reasons for restricting choice in certain areas, in order to create more freedom of choice in general. Like, again, whether we drive in the right side or the left side of the road. Or the distance between the railroad tracks. We restrict freedom there, in order to achieve the freedom to drive on the road, over hilltops and around corners, where I technically speaking can't see what's on the other side, but I can be fairly confident that it only very, very rarely would be somebody driving in my lane in the opposite direction, thinking THEY have the right of way. And, yeah, money. Feels like a lot of freedom when you have it in abundance. And can feel like a maximum security prison when you are required to have it, and you see no way of getting it. It is indeed a problem that there's a de facto monopoly on creating money. Which means that whether you have it or not has more to do with whether you're plugged into the machinery that creates it than with whether or not you have something of value to offer. Which means that many money transactions aren't balanced at all. One side would frequently be greatly at a disadvantage. They can say no, but they might have limited options available, so they might feel forced to say yes. Then again, even having something to say yes to is a step up from having no options at all. So, being a prostitute or a drug dealer might be a very attractive choice for somebody who lives in an environment that otherwise seems devoid of possibilities for them. Do you want to be a homeless bum in the ghetto, or do you want to drive a red porsche and be the aristocracy of the ghetto, gee that's hard. Being forced, by physical or economic violence, into doing something one wouldn't otherwise do, and which one doesn't feel good about - that's certainly a bad thing. Taking away the choice of accepting that will only make it worse. Having more choices available makes it better. And, yes, we need more choices in terms of how to relate with each other economically. Other money systems, other ways of measuring value. And we need more choices in terms of how we want to relate to the world information-wise. If I don't want to watch commercials, I should be able not to. 29 Mar 2005 @ 21:09 by astrid : Quite interseting Thougts, guys!...... .... both of you ASSUME that a more open, loving = moral Society would function with and under the same rules as the rotten, corrupt one!... ?????..... What's wrong with that picture???!!! It is the Rules that make the Game -NOT the Players! It is perfectly legal --what ever THAT is supposed to mean, REALLY!... --to print and use your own money!.... PROVIDED the money will NOT be confused with the Fed's money, by its LOOKS!!!.... And it certainly is perfectly MORAL to have your own community and its monetary system fitting the community. Once again: LOOK it up! READ it: http://www.ithacahours.com/home.html GET THE MONEY KIT!!! Call Itacha. TALK to Paul Glower. The ONLY TRUE free Choise/Free Will each indivual of Humankind has, is whether to go WITH LIFE NOW, LATER -or never!... and each person's life will reflect that choise! That choise, btw, is done EVERY TIME we make ANY CHOISES in our Every-day Life!!!.... simple choises about dish detergent, coffee, our home/car(=travelling methods) toilet paper etc. EACH and EVERY CHOISE has IN IT the LIFE DECICION WE HAVE CHOSEN as our LIFE DESTINY. It's that simple! 30 Mar 2005 @ 05:16 by celestial : Flux Everything is beginning to flow, like in a state of flux. A big change, internationally, is in the works and there have to be several basic rules observed and agreed to by ALL players. These rules will define the New Civilization emerging from this very BLOG! It should be apparent what does and doesn't work. Too many laws that even the lawyers can't keep up, so many laws the taxman can't keep abreast of the rules. Some banks don't even recognize older valid currency because so much new money has been printed. I took a one hundred dollar bill issued by one bank to another bank and they siezed it as counterfeit. I think I'll start using Camel Bucks for my currency of choice! Ming, you've touched on some very important topics. I hope quality comments keep pouring in so as to iron out some new rules. 30 Mar 2005 @ 21:09 by Hanae @69.33.46.10 : The morality issue I don't know, Ming, look at the last American Presidential election, for instance. I am not normally one to care much about politics but I can't help but feel that there are somewhere there, some great lessons to be learned I'll get back to you when I have figured out what they are lol: "The Democrats' mistake was in thinking that a disastrous war, national bankruptcy, erosion of liberties, corporate takeover of government, environmental destruction, squandering our economic and moral leadership in the world, and systematic Administration lying would be of concern to the electorate. The Republicans correctly saw that the chief concern of the electorate was to keep gay couples from having an abortion." Thank you for posting this certainly very central to the concept of a new civilization and an important and most relevant social comment. The questions this presents are certainly crucial to the growth of a healthy pluralistic society. 30 Mar 2005 @ 22:49 by celestial : Update On the counterfeit bill in my previous comment: The bank sent me a note that the Secret Service returned it and said it was a valid bill so they deposited it to my account. I guess I better save my Camel Bucks for the big crash! 30 Mar 2005 @ 22:50 by ming : Gay couples having abortions Hahah, that's a brilliant way of putting it. Yeah, the US election showed quite clearly what it was that mattered to most of the people. At least it seems like it might have been most of the people. And it was moral issues. Not the moral issues of leaders lying and running the economy and human rights down the drain, but the religious/sexual types of moral issues. Which certainly shows there's a long way to go, to create a more truly moral society, that allows free people to live together. 31 Mar 2005 @ 13:32 by jerryvest : Rules vs Laws This is a very good article showing how ignorant our humanity has become. I don't think that most people understand the difference between Rules & Laws. As parents, when we tried to impose our beliefs and values on our children they responded--"Who made that rule?" Now it looks as though everone in authority can make a rule and no one asks why? and for what reason? And, more importantly, how will this rule reduce our freedom? What is the impact of this "law" or "rule?" 24 Apr 2005 @ 19:40 by Nick @199.94.95.130 : Nothing new to say I am a college student who came across this researching for an upcoming debate. I read through the article and was surprised to see that everything that was said, was just a reiteration of what could be said by a high school student. This is not an argument, or even poignant comments about a socioligical taboos that are in place without validity. The truth is, we live in a society that has rules, some based on preserving the welbeing of those in the society and others to protect the moral standards of the cultures within the society. Now, while some of these "Moral Standards" may not make up everyone's particular moral consitutution, they are set up to promote the greatest amount of happiness and appease the masses as opposed to each individual. John Stuart Mill defined morality as something that will succeed in promoting happiness and preventing pain. Further more, his Harm to Other's principle is something you may want to reference when discussing the topic of "society's rules." Overall, I think that these concepts are void of any originality and only convincing to those unwilling to be more introspective. 24 Apr 2005 @ 20:05 by Ge Zi @24.126.199.23 : purpose, Nick... I am wondering, Nick, what the purpose of your comments are. You entered the idea of rules set up to promote the greatest amount of happiness. hmmm, thinking about that you tell the writers of these comments here that they don't have any originality and don't amount to anything remotely relevant. I can not imagine that that makes them feel any happier, and I don't see anybody who might be any happier by those comments either, except maybe your personal ego - so your comments are not very moral, right? If you were not a college student that my son at one point might be in danger being taught by, I would just let it go, but so I have to make at least one attempt to ask you to look at your own morals or ethics and might look at the real purpose of your communications. Amen. 25 Apr 2005 @ 14:11 by ming : Originality I don't think it requires originality to challenge the make-up of our society. On the contrary, I think it is better done in very basic terms. Yes, any high school student should be able to challenge the society he or she is being introduced into in the same manner. Any requirement that you have to refer to a lot of academic papers in order to make your point is just taking us away from the real issues. But it illustrates well some of the mechanisms that are in place to make things stay just the way they are. You know, common sense logic just not being good enough. You need to let some well-educated authorities summarize for you that things are they way they are ...just because. No, I believe in people thinking for themselves. 25 Nov 2009 @ 20:33 by Justthefactzplz @66.30.119.222 : Minor details Coffee is not a drug (although caffeine is; think of NoDoze rather than coffee, as coffee doesn't have too much in it). Sugar is not even close to a drug. Your body can be physically addicted to heroin after a single use. Choices are good, sure, but many people are too immature to make rational choices for themselves. Preventing someone from being able to choose heroin could be very beneficial to a vast majority of people. Are choices good? Sure. But there's other choices you can make without harming yourself so much. 28 Apr 2016 @ 21:11 by Keiffer @188.143.232.32 : jvTfMxIxpBw Of course you are, if you believe Casey guilty you would never want to believe in the poibssility her prosecutors may be wrong.I think Casey is guilty, but I also think that Dr. Vass’ research is self serving until he opens it up to examination by everyone, not just the FBI. 29 Apr 2016 @ 04:56 by Danyon @188.143.232.32 : qcPPxQnJgHJyajexdJf in time, Jeff Lilly over at Druid Journal explores the origins of the word e220;s8a” and its intriguing connection to another word for spirit: soul. 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