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Category: Spirituality 14 comments 20 Jan 2004 @ 12:48 by sharie : wow, thanks for sharing such honestyI don't experience what you described, Julie, but there have been times in my life where I've caught glimpses of feeling like I was on the receiving end of chaos. In one vivid moment, my life was looking... incredible... the exaggerated drama and unbelievable coincidences... I asked a friend what he thought of the circumstances, and he said, "it's ironic." "What's that mean?" I asked. I had vague notions, but I wanted to know exactly what "ironic" meant. He said he didn't know, so I grabbed a dictionary. Several definitions, but one stood out... it referred to a situation in a drama where the *audience* could see the whole story, the coincidences and circumstances... but the characters - because of their limited perspective and frame of reference - were caught up in their blindness to the truth of what was happening, so they were making really stupid choices. When I read that definition, it became crystal clear to me, "I'm getting off the stage, and getting in the audience." In my mind, I could see myself literally removing myself from the drama, from the stage of life that I was experiencing, in order to take a position in the audience so I could see *what* was going on. I had no desire to be in the drama... I wanted to see the truth of my life. So I took a seat and just watched... and boy, did I begin to see it all unfold. I could see who was creating the drama and why. It was a sad story, and one I removed myself from. I didn't want to participate in her delusion... a woman I'd known most of my life... and her two sisters... It worked for me to do that, and if I ever need to again, I know I can. But I avoid situations and circumstances that are not in harmony with who I am and what I want to experience, so that has opened up my life to such a wonderful way of living. You *can* create and experience anything you want, Julie. You choose. I wish everyone could be relieved from the confusion you speak of. I know it's possible because I am free of it. And I won't let anyone else drag me into their hellhole. That's why I've been outcast from some social circles here at ncn. I just have no desire to participate in it. Wishing you well Julie, with love, Sharie 20 Jan 2004 @ 13:19 by istvan : The theory of truth. After spending most part of my life searching for answers to who am i, and who you are (at times phrased who the hell do you think you are) I must finally proclaim that mostly, but not wholly, thanks to this network I have finally GOT IT. It is really not possible to convey by words, poems, nor even by a song to describe the feeling of ecstasy when one arrives at the ultimate truth, the finding of the purpose of why one is here and now , not somewhere else, nor other times nor not being someone else. Thanks to truckloads of books , weeds transformed into holy smoke, countless mushrooms turned into compost, intense outpourings of ewer so wise bits and bytes of logs, blogs and https , I finally found truth. The following words express all the truths I have encountered. Except for the strange language, easily understandable. In case of problems contact Waxen or Swami Beyondananda for possible translation. Here it is: Hsmigrfd: gfrcmjsiolhd mjeicx; sbgtrmsiy ksdbyalkdbnmerhjcir jkdsrewlao ostvalkjebzjmsuh, euidjapqwmv nvetalpvsdegj vartmkayg cdftr dgepjqdst nxaiydhgfskn nstnzpatc ngetsl cdeskmpqgstc zgtrenmauif ksytbamdgs kdgtwmpfaj gdrvmzsioql hdgrsy ioerslma dewybxhyuqpm bvcuyhfdrt Oplwrdspaec srebvioskjsl yhvadekmvdfrnsjm kiadsrgxople hgdrtv baiemncolsgqbzu bgsrgredsjmb hsvbzuragdl vfdemkalo fsrewhbvcfdrtyjabxi lksrwa vbdeilsbxcut lksfdehnbvculsg njsytjeo mdhtils aldbe. I happen to know it is the truth for shure, because as it was channeled to me and i was typing them in the wordprocessor, the computer automatically underlined each word in bright red color and on top of that, each letter was emphasized by tiny piramids underneath, all connected tgether.I do not feel anything special though, since Ninty has been saying these words all along, and countless people have been chanting them for eons.Jibberish is healing. 20 Jan 2004 @ 15:43 by CONFUSED? @81.86.69.168 : CHAOS HEY SHERI THANKS FOR TAKING SO MUCH TIME. I DON'T AGREE, OF COURSE. I FEEL I AM VERY MUCH LIVING MY LIFE, LIVING MY LIFE AS A PRIESTESS ON THE EDGE OF CHAOS AND MY DREAMS, DREAMING AWAKE ALL THE ANGELS AND ANGELS OF EXISTENCE. YES, IVISTAN... THERE IS NO TRUTH, ABSOLUTELY. =THAT= IS THE IRONIC PARADOX OF EXISTENCE. THE ALL AND THE NO THING. THANKS FOR YOUR PROFOUND JIBBERISH. 20 Jan 2004 @ 16:17 by sharie : hysterical Istvan, thanks Truth does exist. That's my experience. I know most people never experience it. I didn't say you weren't living your life. Anyone who enjoys chaos and confusion will probably continue to experience it. When you don't enjoy it, and you reject it, and choose something else, that's what you'll experience. 20 Jan 2004 @ 16:25 by vibrani : the idea of shame isn't new age or metaphysical at all. Shame has no place in it. Shame and guilt are self-judgements, often based on anger, coming from a person who feels inferior. You wrote that maybe the way to shift is to not even think about it. Well, that's one option for sure. The other option is to change your self-judgements into something like, "Oh, I chose that and see how that hasn't worked for me. Let me try something else with more awareness and self-love." 20 Jan 2004 @ 16:45 by Jewels @81.86.69.168 : Differences Hey guys... I am speaking specifically of patriarchy, the western split mind and the shadows in all of us. We are all racist and confused. Some of that is in a 'good sense' as I mean about chaos. I am into chaos theory and how that means living in many whirlds, giving voices and enlightment to the energies. I feel it is major denial to say people have detoxed these dis-eases of whirld fraught by what is going on, really. Hence why I gave that Monica Sjoo book link. I might not be saying this intellectually enough. It's not about enjoyment. It's about reality. There is what is real, where one is, and where our species is. My main point is almost 'ironically' highlighted by some of this feedback. I don't thik the new age idea of a separate reality is possible. For you to say that you are 'fixed' and don't understand/ experience the human condition... I think is a river in Egypt. I am talking about the deeper patterns, after all the workshops and the therapy. I lived in a pure state of Grace for years. And it's still there. And so is the journey. I agree about awareness the light of it... I was speaking of it... sigh. Oh well. 20 Jan 2004 @ 17:00 by vibrani : Jewel I think I understand what you're saying - you can't live a fantasy and we must be real. Would you agree that we all have a somewhat shared reality and our personal reality, that overlap and interplay? I think that fits in with the chaos theory. 20 Jan 2004 @ 17:30 by Julie-Jewels @81.86.69.168 : Certainty Of course I would agree my friend. My original post's rantings had to do with this Big Philosophical Issue I was getting at in my own quirky thought process last night, in light of a certain angst, angle that is happening in my own story now. On a shadow, base level, it could be seen as the labels I gave it about scapegoats, shame, etc. There are so many currents that happen in our flow and relationships to our personal and transpersonal mythos... the idea I was pondering, was the true organic universe (and according to string theory, is made of of several universes), well... it is not about the very egotistical notion of 'self'... like that doctorate stuff they had around the arab mind vs. the western... the idea of self in the old pre-western world is not about a centre point, but rather a flow of relationships... i think it's important in the great conversation we look at this... especially those of us living lives in modern comforts... with all the false memes... so many 'assumptions' and that is very apparent in the most western californian new age and psychology theories that we 'create our own reality'. we do. and we don't. because, there is no self. we come and return to nothing. which is all thing, in potential. here in is the Mystery. That quote from Abe Lincon about 'I wish I was as certain of one thing in my life as he is about everything!' 21 Jan 2004 @ 10:27 by sharie : "Reality" I've been composing a newslog entry on that very topic. As one friend said, "Life is a roller-coaster, but you don't have to believe it." 21 Jan 2004 @ 17:18 by istvan : Ithink it is natural at this time to think that the individual self is some kind ofcenter, all powerful commander of the reality of the experiencer of "Iam That I am" when that is discovered. Not unlike the people found comfort thinking the Earth was the center of the universe. How false that seems now. A lot more spiritual growth is required yet, and that will come in time. Than perhaps some of the subjects we are discussing will naturally unfold their nature without much, or any effort. 21 Jan 2004 @ 17:40 by me @213.122.13.121 : not I I think that's a great analagy. in the initial 'discovery' it seems so apparent and obvious. and you can see how that discovery is a natural compensation for how small the species must have felt when it looked at the stars in their reasoning..... and that is the same when one has an 'enlightenment'... they think that means they suddenly ARE 'THE' one and only centre... and it's so hard to even talk to someone when the 'first awakening' happens... that's why gurus say... 'yes yes yes... keep meditating... ' smiles. 22 Jan 2004 @ 06:01 by istvan : Yes, The children of God/the Universe are extremely playful. 16 Jan 2006 @ 10:52 by jeff @84.43.42.124 : Western Banana Splits /Gurdjieff Your view seems to have some similarity to Gurdjieffs's view that WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING..but we think we (and again Gurdjieff would say the 'I' is many 'I's, the 'we' is many 'we's') can and create illusions of controlling things and making choices .....the Westerner in particular is so defined by his/her(especially the male of the two) 'doing' that it this concept of 'we cannot do' is very foreign, though faith (as opposed to works based) based Christians (see Paul's original original teachings which Gurdjieff borrowed from) may 'get' it...the 'it' refers to the fact that we are so mechanical, so distant from our true selves and therefore God(dess), so divided into so many 'I's that when we say we are doing it is an illusion of the highest order....I know this is not exactly what you were pointing out but I think there are some parallels...I am not a 'disciple'of Gurdjieff but find some of his teachings (via Ouspensky and Nicoll) useful.....feel free to reply.......Best,.Jeff(Oxford, England)......... 7 May 2016 @ 10:17 by Caiya @188.143.232.32 : uBIJXdFcXtx just download it and get funds – works perfectly with my accountonce I have problems with some generators from youtube, because I downloaded fake ap&83cationsp#l2i0; But some guy tell me that original version of this hack is here – on topjailbreak.com and it really works Other entries in Spirituality 31 Jul 2010 @ 16:29: Innovation Yantra 31 Jul 2010 @ 16:01: Randy Paush - Lessons for Life 30 Jul 2010 @ 16:30: from Baudrillard to Verger: Diversification Vs Global Norms 22 Jul 2010 @ 13:16: Cartographers of No Man's Land 22 Jul 2010 @ 02:28: PUNISH BUSH & NEO-CONS FOR WAR CRIMES! 20 Jul 2010 @ 14:24: Getting other people to do stuff 16 Jul 2010 @ 22:57: Considerations on writing 14 Jul 2010 @ 14:53: Therapy Dogs Serve our Wounded Warriors 14 Jul 2010 @ 13:35: Consciousness of Pattern 13 Jul 2010 @ 17:04: What is Consciousness? - My answer on Quora.com
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20 Jan 2004 @ 08:10, by Julie Solheim-Roe