New Civilization News: The impossible will take a little while |
Category: Legal, Justice 8 comments 12 Nov 2005 @ 10:15 by jazzolog : Fine Postwith lots to chew on. Thanx Remus. Oh...Crazy He Calls Me is an American ballad that Billie didn't write but, as I'm sure Remus means, used to sing in knockout fashion. However there're lots of other versions, especially Aretha's which is almost as good as Lady Day's! 12 Nov 2005 @ 13:51 by swan : I believe, to a certain extent that we create our reality. The problem in that kind of thinking is it disallows social conditioning. Maybe it is true that I chose a certain reality before I was born so I could learn certain lessons. Can I be sure about that? That is hard to answer. And if I can't remember that I did that than it doesn't really matter in the the scheme of things in my life, until a certain point when I do remember. So...If everyone on earth created a certain reality before they were born to learn lessons and than forgot they did it, we work with what we have. When we are children we are socialized according to our parents belief systems which may or may not be faulty. On top of that we are socialized by teachers, our church if we are a member, media, etc. If we don't come to the place were we question our programming and try to change it we are stuck in the cycle. Are we victims? I believe we always have some kind of choice. As a therapist, I work with people who for the most part live in poverty. The kind of poverty where they don't have jobs or have low paying jobs, live on food stamps, have children with disabilities, some have mental illness of their own and have little hope. I really believe in the work that I do because I do empower them and I do help raise their poverty consciousness. I hold each of my clients in love and help them recognize their strengths and values and teach them that they do have options. When my work with them is finished, sometimes after a year sometimes longer, they are changed. It might be just in small ways but it happens. They learn that they do have power and they do have choices. Like the title of this article says " the impossible will take a little while". but I believe it will happen, it is happening and I am not the only one doing this work. If I help one family stand up and protest because of the system they are in and the government that has created it, than there is one more family who can help things change. If I help just one family learn that they can change their reality my work has been worth it. I may or may not impact the world someday in a big way, but right now I am chipping away at the problem, one family at a time. I feel that creating a new civilization is a slow process, we don't just pop into a new reality. When we do shift into a new reality/new civilization it will be because of a lot of hard work with each person doing his or her part. I am committed to my personal path of evolution everyday, sometimes it is easy and sometimes it is down right messy and difficult, because the work is not in some "new age higher realm", it is here on earth where it is dense and challenging. I am not only committed to my own evolution I am also committed to supporting others who want to evolve and that is why I always say that a new civilization happens one person at a time. So I think we can and do create our reality, but there is nothing we can do about it if we don't know that we do/are. (By the way, this is not a testimonial, it is my thoughts on what is said in your article which I feel is a fine post, as Richard said.) 13 Nov 2005 @ 22:13 by uncleremus : I hear you, Swan Thank you for your time and thank you for sharing where you come from on all this and how your beliefs have been shaping some of the things you do, especially with regard to your work with people who for the most part live in poverty "If we don't come to the place were we question our programming and try to change it we are stuck..." ----12 Nov 2005 @ 13:51 by swan In his book, “The Outsider,” Colin Wilson, referred to that phenomenon in these terms: "Imagine a large castle on an island, with almost inescapable dungeons. The jailor has installed every device to prevent the prisoners escaping, and he has taken one final precaution: that of hypnotizing the prisoners, and then suggesting to them that they and the prison are one. When one of the prisoners awakes to the fact that he would like to be free, and suggests this to his fellow prisoners, they look at him with surprise and say: 'Free from what? We are the castle.' What a situation!" As I said earlier on, on another post, let me try and be very clear about this, least it be misunderstood (I feel, we went off on a bad start on that other post, for no good reasons at all,) I have no issue whatsoever with any of the things you are talking about, Swan. How could I? I mean how could anyone in his or her right mind do? The world needs people doing the kind of things you are talking about (let’s refer to this as, say, type A, kind of things) people helping the "prisoners" in small or big ways, people helping people who have fallen though the cracks of the system, or people who are, or have become dysfunctional for one reason or another, or people who need help because they have, to some degree, lost track of {link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_image|who they are}. Is that even a question? But, then, again, I have no issue either with people who are focusing their efforts on "the prison" itself (let’s call this, say, type B, kind of things,) or people who are addressing some of the "devices" (political, economical, etc.) that they feel are contributing to keeping things (things that can and should be changed) the way they are; nor do I have any issue with people who are denouncing those who have become the jailors (sometimes their own jailors,) some of them, unwittingly so, some of them very knowingly so (let’s call the people who deal with that issue, say, type C kind of people,) or people who are working on new "devices" aimed at changing things (system thinkers - let’s call them type D, kind of people,) etc. The world needs all kind of people. I don’t have any issue with the way anyone is approaching things, here. Some people seem to, however. And this is where I have been coming from, for quite a few posts already. If I have any concern at all, it would be with people on this network who militate for the suppression of B or C or D or E in the name of A---and vice versa---some of them, covertly so, some other very openly and very aggressively so. I would also be concerned with people who would try to plant their A flag (or any other kind of denominational flag) on NCN, and claim "NCN IS ABOUT A and nothing else" (and judging from your blog and your comment above, I do not believe, Swan, that you are one of these people.) I would be concerned because this is not what NCN is about; NCN mission statement makes it very clear that it is not what NCN is about. One thing I have noticed----it would be hard not to----is that there always seem to be some kind of war brewing (sometimes it’s a cold war, and sometimes it’s a full fledge one) between the type A people ("conscious evolution comes from the inside, one person at a time") and the type B kind of people ("conscious evolution comes from the outside, through activism") while NCN makes it clear that NCN is not about A alone, nor about B alone, nor about C or D, or E, alone. NCN is about ALL of those things, A, B, C, D, E, and more. Especially when (despite what some would have us believe) A, B, C, D, E, etc… are not necessarily mutually exclusive, and the border (real or imagined) separating the so-called "inside" and "outside" world is of such an elusive nature. The fact that new NCN members are presented with the opportunity to take the {link:http://www.keirsey.com/ |Keirsey/Myers-Briggs} personality test when they sign up is, one would believe, a testimony to that fact, and to the spirit of what NCN was meant to be about. 13 Nov 2005 @ 22:28 by swan : I agree completely! and I think the point I have been trying to make by using myself as an example is there are all kinds of way to create a New Civilization not just one that we should on jump on to and support. I am also concerned how some people, who might have the "A" agenda aggressively making those with "b, C, D" agendas wrong. 14 Nov 2005 @ 03:43 by uncleremus : Cosante http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/445/000445-000109.jpg Aquel árbol que mueve la hoja algo se le antoja. Aquel árbol del bel mirar hace de maniera flores quiere dar: algo se le antoja. Aquel árbol del bel veyer hace de maniera quiere florecer: algo se le antoja. Hace de maniera flores quiere dar: ya se demuestra; salidlas mirar: algo se le antoja. Hace de maniera quiere florecer: ya se demuestra; salidlas a ver: algo se le antoja. Ya se demuestra; salidlas mirar. Vengan las damas las frutas cortar: algo se le antoja. Ya se demuestra: venidlas a ver; vengan las damas las frutas coger; algo se le antoja. ~Diego Hurtado de Mendoza 29 Oct 2010 @ 06:58 by mbtshoes @121.205.247.133 : mbtshoes J.D.P owerand Assoeiates global automotive business senior vice President John Humphrey (John Humphrey) said: "will ultimately determines which by consumers in business class vehicles realized successfully. John Humphrey (John Humphrey) also added: "considering current electric and hybrid of 4 Mar 2016 @ 08:07 by DJ @184.170.27.145 : Progress Amazing that this was written 10 years ago and we've hardly made any progress. 4 Mar 2016 @ 08:09 by DJ @184.170.27.145 : Progress Amazing that this was written 10 years ago and we've hardly made any progress. 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