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Category: Communities 23 comments 23 Feb 2006 @ 12:35 by jstarrs : Yes, it's lovely, isn't it?Thanks for bringing it, like a lotus, out of the mud. Actually, I prefer to call it NCN beach-combing, it has a less sullied feel, don't you think? He's another soggy 'tribution (like Rimbaud, not an NCN member but what the hell!): Dearest G., Let me say - modestly - you Have unmade a great, though tired, man, who Had only just glimps'd his summit, age fifty-two. So you have dump'd me. I mean this: good for you. I'm more man than I was before we start'd, Yet what's left behind's much less than what's depart'd. The best part of me - ugh, awful. I'm retard'd; This, easily the worst poem I've yet , uh, undertaken. Assam-stained mug; knuckled Pall-Mall butt, old Tamla 45; The Penguin Book of English Verse, ed. Keegan, overdue; Picked nostril; wrecked rhyme scheme; Conklin half-alive; A study of this Flushing, Queens one-bedroom minus you. I only read one poem, anymore: Marvell's Definition. Spin solely Motown-mope, sweet Marvelettes' rendition. (I only watch one film, too, Village of the Damned, but that because the tape within my deck is jamm'd.) Lordly Marvell, Hull's peer, Milton's savior: peerless; And the Marvelettes' complaint - cosmic postmen won't deliver. If Smokey Robinson's our 'greatest living poet' (says B. Dylan), What of N. Ashford and V. Simpson? Not chopped liver. Tilting on his axis, one beatnik -- aging, aching, stalling, Grew horny hopes of untold planets realigning: Mets winning pennants; critics melting; editors calling; Bosom friend's prodigal in my arms; George resigning. So - I boarded Fate's Tyrannick train: no shocker. Bermuda honeymoon's scotched, at great cost: Chlamydia, slipped disc, moldy Chinese takeout, chronic fatigue. Lesson learned: Old beatnik shouldn't woo young rocker. (Hey Ivan: clever travel agent told me hope's not lost: Ticket's convertible: St. Pete! You, me, Grapefruit League!) To G., On The Occasion Of Our Broken Engagement - Harris Conklin, February 2006 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385517165/ref=sr_11_1/002-3328268-5516038?%5Fencoding=UTF8 . . . . . . . . . . 23 Feb 2006 @ 17:04 by jazzolog : Actually I prefer primordial ooze as a description for jazzoLOG...but mud will do, as both are home to a Pisces. For more of Paul's writing, and a glimpse of his magnificent biography of his father, comb this beach~~~ http://books.lulu.com/content/180033 23 Feb 2006 @ 19:42 by uncleremus : Beauty in the mud Beachcombing is fine, but I like MUD better. Besides the obvious play on words (i.e. MUD as in Multiple User Dimension), mud brings to mind images of the {link:http://www.galeschools.com/environment/biomes/wetland/kinds.htm|wetland} - to me anyway. As it turns out, wetlands often are coastal, so, jstarrs could probably have it both ways if he so chose - this is a picture of the Camargue, France: http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/445/000445-000120.jpg {link:http://www.lulu.com/paulquint|Waiting at the Shore}: thank you, jazzolog, for the link to {link:http://www.lqart.org/|Luis Quintanilla}'s biography. 23 Feb 2006 @ 20:18 by vibrani : Love love changes everything. 25 Feb 2006 @ 08:32 by i2i : The seashore of consciousness Something in the quote from Quinty and the summary of the novel by Julien Green reminds me of that poem by Walt Whitman, {link:http://www.bartleby.com/142/96.html|The Sleepers } (Leaves of Grass). The poet imagines himself in different roles. He becomes other sleepers, and he dreams their dreams: "I am the actor, the actress, the voter, the politician; The emigrant and the exile, the criminal that stood in the box, He who has been famous, and he who shall be famous after to-day, The stammerer, the well-form’d person, the wasted or feeble person..." As he identifies himself as merging with other beings, "The homeward bound, and the outward bound, The beautiful lost swimmer, the ennuyé, the onanist, the female that loves unrequited, the money-maker, The actor and actress, those through with their parts, and those waiting to commence, The affectionate boy, the husband and wife, the voter, the nominee that is chosen, and the nominee that has fail’d, The great already known, and the great any time after to-day, The stammerer, the sick, the perfect-form’d, the homely, The criminal that stood in the box, the judge that sat and sentenced him, the fluent lawyers, the jury, the audience, The laugher and weeper, the dancer, the midnight widow, the red squaw, The consumptive, the erysipelite, the idiot, he that is wrong’d, The antipodes, and every one between this and them in the dark," he establishes a spiritual and psychological kinship with them: "They flow hand in hand over the whole earth, from east to west, as they lie unclothed, The Asiatic and African are hand in hand—the European and American are hand in hand, Learn’d and unlearn’d are hand in hand, and male and female are hand in hand..." Hand in hand, a multitude of beings, like so many waves along the seashore of Consciousness. We see only the sea waves, not the oceanic bottom. 26 Feb 2006 @ 20:18 by uncleremus : Spindrift ~~~~o~~~~ We see only the waves, not the oceanic bottom. Thank you, i2i, the metaphor is well chosen, and an arresting one too, to me anyway, as it might be to anyone who remembers the tsunami that hit Thailand not so long ago (December 26, 2004). Unlike wind-driven surface waves, tsunamis typically are an "oceanic bottom" phenomenon that involves the entire water column from sea floor to surface. While scientists have developed a better understanding of what sets a tsunami in motion, the psychological tsunamis and deep currents that emerge from the floor of humanity collective unconscious (and collective consciousness, too – i.e. our society, our culture, the media, the web, etc.) remain largely uncharted. Exploring the wetlands of NCN, I ended up on a site by the name of {link:http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php?did=331&vid=331&xmode=show_article&amode=standard&aoffset=0&artid=000331-000025&time=1081803739|Spindrift}, which must be (or was, at some point) familiar to i2i, as I have seen a few of her posts there. Well, as I was getting a bit weary with all the beach combing and what have you, I decided to take a break and stop there for a drink at the {link:http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php?did=217&vid=217&xmode=show_article&amode=standard&aoffset=0&artid=000217-000107&time=1080524521|Inn of the Wild Ass}. And I found this bit of creative writing from a member of NCN: Consider this: A million souls randomly selected. A million of dreamers: 239,477 followers of the Ceturo-Dehjian faith, 231,201 faithful of the Bodo-Huddinist confession, 125,600 Ethno-Ammans, 60,133 Meiit’Sans, A hundred Shamans, A handful of Mages and a few Vrijis, Thousands of prayers on thousands of lips. To whom? To what? Do we live in our dreams or in other people’s dreams? Is there a Greater Dream? Who is the Grand-Dreamer? A Psychic Gravitational Cradle? A Vectorial Sum? An Oligarchy? A Monarchy? Aaaah...take the reins of your dream, and you are a Sorcerer, Interact with The Dream, and you are a Mage! But of what do dreams dream? And who is that flute player? And where are they going, these children, following silently? — On the Color of Dreams, Garah, Master Archivist [CXI: G^19, Library of Entelos] Good question isn’t it? And so is the implied subjacent question about "individual self-determination" and the concept of "inclusive deliberative democracy within communities," a theme close to heart to many people, politicians, historians, economists, system thinkers, and to many here on NCN: Are there enough "well-intended people on the planet who would like for society to work, if there would just be a workable way for them to relate on a small and large scale"? So asks Ming (22 Jul 2002 @ 00:03 ), on a {link:http://ming.tv/flemming2.php?did=10&vid=10&xmode=show_article&amode=standard&aoffset=0&artid=000010-000139&time=1063757026|post about communicationism}. "It's going to take an act of God, to get a community together, out of all the goofballs, freeloaders and hangers-on that we have to choose from," responds another NCN member on the same thread (in a rather familiar pattern.) That comment is followed by a rather lengthy comment by another member of NCN, part of which I am cutting and pasting here, the part that relates to our topic ("I is another"), some aspects of which echo or address to some degree some of the questions presented or implicitly raised above by Quinty. ----quote----- "Goofballs", "freeloaders", "hangers-on", such hard words for people who, all things considered, were just simply brought up into this world and are now just simply doing what most biological entities are doing---or used to be able to do---on this planet, that is, "live", just simply "be alive" and "live." My cats do it every day. But your cats are not "homo sapiens", will you object. And you would be right. But not everyone is a reformer or an innovator or a revolutionary. And, I agree with Ming, there are plenty of those around, so many educated people, people of good will, people of knowledge, intelligent people, sensitive people. People who are not communicating with each other, who are isolated or confined to their own limited narrow field of action, people who have to earn a living, people who feel they are at the mercy of the corporation who "owns" them, people who feel they are "too little.”…Society exert a terrible power of absorption on all those journeymen who live life day to day, not just those who are struggling to make ends meet, but also those who do well, lawyers, doctors, bankers, technocrats, they do well financially of course, but they are playing a different game, society is draining their life-force in other ways…, and then you have the people who work all the time, not just those who need to hold three jobs to make a living but those who do so because of the whole absorbing nature of their profession, like scientists or searchers, obsessed with their work, or people who just find there are not enough hours in a day to take care of all the things they need to take care of. None of those people stop and look at the big picture nor would they even know where to begin if they did. And then there are the people who just drink beer and just like to watch sport on TV, or soap operas or maybe they don't drink and they just watch their toes or their belly button. They don't know what to do. Have any of you taken a good hard look at some of Invictus's posts lately [another member of NCN]: young people, educated people, eager people, bright people, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO! So they join NCN of course, and they find out that WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. Oh, we are trying to go there, all right, we just don't know where "there" is, or even what it is for that matter, but, hey, don't you worry about it, surely as we are entering the 5th dimension, the gates of universal understanding will open up and flood humanity with brotherly love. And then you have the left-out, the marginals, the bums, the dispossessed, those who have lost their way, those who do not play "the game", those "who know better" or DO NOT know better, and also the uneducated, the physically impaired, the mentally impaired, those who have lost their mind, those who have lost their faith, those who have a weak heart and those who are losing heart. And I am only just talking about the people of the richest and most developed nations on the face of the earth, here! Life is "happening" to them and they are constantly re-acting, they do not have time to think, they all are on that overcrowded, highly competitive moving escalator, some are moving up, some are moving down, but constantly they are moving and shoving and trying to retain their balance and what they can keep of their sanity. And then, then you have the activists and the people who try to make a difference, altruistic people, or people who act altruistically out of "enlightened selfishness" (a term coined by Bertrand Russell), there are people trying to live off the grid, people who join Green Peace or the Peace Corps (I tried to talk one of them into joining NCN today.) And they, too, find that it's all they can do to survive the terrible force of absorption that life is exerting on them. Activism is so demanding and a constant battle. It's very difficult to remain in "ordinary" reality and keep functioning like an "ordinary" citizen AND still remain an activist. At times, you start to wonder whether the people you are trying to awake are really asleep or whether YOU are loosing your sanity and becoming abnormally obsessed or paranoid like those people you see talking to themselves in the bus. ("How dreadful!", you think, "this is beginning to sound like ‘Brazil’ or ‘the Matrix’.") Then of course you realize that if more people begun talking to themselves (i.e. "to think for themselves") we would not be where we are now. It's no accident that people have always been actively DISCOURAGED from "talking to themselves" (I mean by that, "being left alone with their own thoughts")---it interferes with their being "talked to" (i.e. told what "they should be thinking") and modern society has only reinforced that pattern (TV, cell-phones,...) People are ABSORBED, totally absorbed by society---like by a living organism---and are never, ever left ALONE with themselves. Mother Teresa once said that "God is the friend of Silence"---things are born in quiet that cannot be heard in the din of our overly verbal days. This brings me to the cacophony and the duplicitous game of politics (which I almost forgot.) Politics is ASPHYXIATING to the mind and the soul and the spirit. And as a result, our greatest minds---people who could actually make a difference----are shying away from politics (and the few who go there do not last long---or do not live long.)" -----end quote----- 27 Feb 2006 @ 03:42 by judih : good quote could have said it myself if i had the patience to actually hammer it out...and so, it's been said, and the state of matter seems to now await... is there hope of a bottom floor wave? a huge pillar of upward movement to getus outa here? 27 Feb 2006 @ 10:42 by jazzolog : A Stick In The Mud I saw my first crocus budding yesterday. Ohio is a disaster, but Spring here is Illyria deliria. Up with the holy grass! 27 Feb 2006 @ 20:40 by Hanae @69.33.46.10 : Mud filtering system Yes, well, "the world is mud-luscious and puddle-wonderful," isn't it? (e.e.cummings has such a way with words) Ohio disaster: the good news and the bad news: THE BAD NEWS: - Since 2001, Ohio has lost 161,400 manufacturing jobs (16.4 percent of all manufacturing employment.) - The state added just 3,600 jobs total during 2005, a gain of less than a tenth of one percent of the Ohio job market, according to {link:http://www.policymattersohio.org|Policy Matters}, an Ohio research organization. - Ohio's unemployment rate was 5.9 percent in December 2005, and just last month Ford Motor Corporation announced more job cuts impacting more than 1,700 Ohio workers. - Policy Matters also reports that household income fell for the second straight year and median hourly wages for Ohio workers fell for the fourth straight year in 2004. - Twelve percent of the state’s population, 1,362,000 adults, do not have health insurance, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. That’s an increase of almost 100,000 since Bush took office. - Today, 11.3 percent of Ohioan’s live in poverty according to U.S. Census Bureau data. - Since the start of the war, 105 Ohio residents have been killed in the war. THE GOOD NEWS: er...le'me see... - There were no gay marriages in Ohio in 2005? And now a few inspiring words from Reverent Robert H. Schuller's daily companion, "Hours of Powers," which is filled with uplifting motivation and is the perfect year long companion as one strives to become the person one is meant to be {link:http://www.hourofpower.org/devotions/showdev.cfm?ArticleID=1438|link}: "A faith that is committed to success in the pursuit of an excellent and noble idea will require fine tuning. Fine tuning happens as you develop the practice of filtering the thought that come through your mind. Gradually your conscious level will rise as it relates in sensitivity to what is positive and what is negative, what is good and what is evil, what is productive and what is counter-productive, what is constructive and what is unhealthy. Your faith will be strengthened or insulted on a daily basis by the thoughts that enter your mind. You can choose many of your thoughts by selecting the reading material, the television programs, and the deliberate exposures that you choose to encounter. Still, there are the thousands of unsolicited stimuli that hit the average brain from a variety of unpredictable sources in the course of a single day. Consequently, a filtering system must be built into your mind that screens out the negative while allowing the positive to pass through." President Bush said of the Schullers, "I appreciate the efforts of the Schuller family and all those committed to spreading the message of God’s love and mercy. Your work helps put hope in people’s hearts and a sense of purpose in their lives". I bet! See? There you have it. Doesn't that make you feel better now, jazzolog, that rosy feeling that everything is going to be alright? How do you feel about HB3 (Ohio House Bill 3)? 27 Feb 2006 @ 20:59 by jstarrs : Jazz? April is the cruellest month. 28 Feb 2006 @ 00:06 by uncleremus : Judih's question Judih asks (27 Feb 2006 @ 03:42): "Is there hope of a bottom floor wave? a huge pillar of upward movement to get us outa here?" It is a good question, because typically bottom floor waves come from the blind side of Humanity. Our History is replete with them. Some good ones, but many, many dark and devastating ones, too. So, although it might be tempting to just say, as I’ve heard, that "it's all good," that both aspects are two sides of the same coin, the question is, can we just trust our fate to such deep oceanic movements, and go blindly with the flow, so to speak, and, as Hanae put it above, trust that "everything is going to be all right," or that thinking "everything will be all right" will make it so ("and so it is," the saying goes,) or that it doesn't matter, because, ultimately such things are beyond our immediate control, or things will be as things will be, or as God intended them to be (and “it would be presumptuous of mankind to think any differently”,) or that the Harmonic Concordance will take care of it by 2012, a mere 6 years from now? (I oversimplify greatly, of course, but this is the general idea anyway, some of the prevailing memes out there.) There are those who think we can: {http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v76/__show_article/_a000076-000070.htm|The Sun, Harmonic Concordance and the Shift Ages!} Ultimately, I think it matters little what we think. I think it matters greatly however when “we are made" to think what we think---i.e when the above beliefs, like Christianity or Buddhism and what have you, are exploited and perverted for the purpose of keeping populations politically servile and oblivious to the state of the world and to the impact they have on the world they live in, and to the positive impact they could have in their/our world if they put their mind to it and started to look at things critically and analytically instead of taking things for granted. (Disclaimer: I do not have anything against uncontaminated Christianity or uncontaminated Buddhism, or uncontaminated religion in general. And I do not have anything either against people who believe in the Harmonic Convergence, I gave the link above because the article is a fairly representative one on the topic, and because the person who posted it is a respected member of NCN.) I think it doesn’t matter what we think, because none of the “que sera, sera” beliefs above really dismiss the need for personal responsibility and the necessity to take action in the here and now, none of them really do, except where they are misrepresented, either through genuine or willful ignorance or through deception. Bottom Oceanic movement can make us seem puny, but there wouldn’t be any oceanic movements if it were not for the presence of the water. And the water is us. Each and every one of us. There would be no water without us, no oceanic movements. And, most religions agree with that. Christianity says so. Buddhism says so. Heck, Atheism says so. In countless small and large ways, WE are the oceanic movements. So, I suppose it does actually matter what we think. Not our vision of the greatest scheme of things in so far as whether there is a paradise or not, or whether if I behave “righteously,” Allah or Jesus will great me, when I die, in the world beyond, or whether if I get “spiritually enlightened” I’ll transcend this universe as a radiant Buddha or slip through the Harmonic Convergence. Or whether there is even such a thing as “I”. (God knows such beliefs haven’t done much to curb humanity’s inherent barbarism as a whole.) None of those beliefs matter so long as they do not cause one to abdicate one’s role as a full and integral part of the Ocean (whatever the origin of the Ocean might be.) But Ocean is an imperfect metaphor. Oceans are passive. They don’t make things happen. Things happen to them. Winds, earthquakes, meteorites, glaciations, evaporation, etc. And, yes, things happen to mankind, too. So, ultimately, beyond one’s official religious faith, it all comes to one’s intimate vision of Humanity and of one’s place and one’s role in the world. Do you make things happen, or do things happen to you? That is the question. The unanswered, unanswerable question. Determinist thinkers believe things happen to one (causality, you know - the Omega is in the Alpha, that sort of things.) The "you create your own reality" people believe one makes things happen. And then there is a whole crowd on either side and somewhere in between who holds one position or the other to various degrees, including those who believe that sometimes things happen to you and sometimes you make things happen, and those who believe that things will happen to you or that you will make things happen depending on what your beliefs happen to be to that regard. It is interesting to point out that even hardcore determinist thinkers who believe free will is an illusion, easily concede that it is nonetheless essential, if humanity is to thrive, that mankind continues to act and behave as if it had free will. Ultimately, of course, as highlighted in one of Ming’s posts, {link:http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001021.htm|Unexpected Revolutions}, "if we actually try deliberately to transform the world, the question becomes which decisions and improvements we can fairly easily make today which will have the most beneficial effect on the future. What memes can we create that surprisingly turn into something hugely wonderful later on." 28 Feb 2006 @ 07:14 by jazzolog : The Joke's On Me I just learned there's a city in Ohio named Elyria. Horrible industrial place I guess. The Illyria I was referring to is from Shakespeare, and not the computer language of the same name. I tried valiantly not to quote cummings, Hanae, but then my comment followed someone as eternally creative as judih...and I really didn't dare. I never got what Eliot meant about April, Jeff, unless he was thinking about Australia, in case it's miserable there that time of year. Maybe it's that in The Waste Land, even in the Easter month, Resurrection never comes. 28 Feb 2006 @ 20:20 by jstarrs : He was referring.. ..to a Walt Whitman poem, : "WHEN lilacs last in the door-yard bloom’d, And the great star early droop’d in the western sky in the night, I mourn’d—and yet shall mourn with ever-returning spring." He then went on to rip off a host of other sources to come up with something that made people scratch their heads and look for clues, like a pretty hip crossword puzzle. Sort of. 28 Feb 2006 @ 21:45 by i2i : Synchronicity? I don't know how accurate jstarrs's comment really is, and, if it is, how he came by his insight as to e. e. cummings's method and purpose, but how synchronistic it is that it all comes to this poem by Walt Whitman. It would appear that not only has {link:http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v119/__show_article/_a000119-000032.htm|Lincoln been doing some Time travel} lately, but he is also found here wandering the mud of NCN, lol! 28 Feb 2006 @ 21:56 by i2i : stanza 1 and 2 Those were about Lincoln, you know: "When lilacs last in the dooryard bloom'd, And the great star early droop'd in the western sky in the night, I mourn'd, and yet shall mourn with ever-returning spring. Ever-returning spring, trinity sure to me you bring, Lilac blooming perennial and drooping star in the west, And thought of him I love. O powerful western fallen star! O shades of night --- O moody, tearful night! O great star disappear'd --O the black murk that hides the star! O cruel hands that hold me powerless -O helpless soul of me! O harsh surrounding cloud that will not free my soul." 28 Feb 2006 @ 23:50 by uncleremus : No, Jazz, I think the joke's on Me - lol How did we get from Quinty to Lincoln? I have no idea. Nor did I expect this post would generate such a thread, meandering in such capricious ways and in so many unexpected (yet, delicious) directions. So, I guess that the joke's on me! But, hey, all are welcome here. You too Abe! Is Abe's ghost wandering the mud of NCN? Who is to say? I know Abe is not a member of NCN, but never mind that, maybe he ought to be made one, posthumously so. I mean: "He loved books." "They changed his life." "He changed the world." ---{link:http://www.kaywinters.com/abe_lincoln.htm|Abe Lincoln: The Boy Who Loved Books}. 26 Jun 2009 @ 23:19 by Mele @80.91.209.2 : Prometrium and aspirin in pregnancy Give please. I have been here many times and have always found this to be. Help me! 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