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The Sandorian Grove: Insane Meme Hunting: The Cutting of the Umbilical Cord |
Category: Articles 38 comments 16 Apr 2007 @ 19:12 by a-d : Such an IMPORTANTHuman Issue: how we handle the Moment of Birth and the procedures of it. Did I miss something here?... I did not see any references being made to one of the greatest pioneers in Soft Birth to be re-introduced into the western COLD/Clinical Practice of "Medicine" ; Dr Frederic Leboyer. http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/birthwithoutviolence.htm (How can this subject be discussed without mentioning him? Though I am glad you took this up, because humankind needs to see ALL the parts where the Western Culture is WORSE than BACKWORDS and "PRIMITIVE" at best 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:03 by Merlin Silk @76.168.91.24 : if we look how the animal world does it. ... that should give us an idea what is considered natural. Maybe this is all part of the meme I grew up with but I thought that animals chew off the chord after birth and don't carry around the placenta. It is too easy to go from one extreme into the other with non-violence and we have to watch that we don't go overboard in the other direction. 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:12 by mx @201.1.54.148 : cats are doing it... ONLY SOME species are EATING the placenta, for example cats, and so indirectly also cut the cord. But they do it for EATING the placenta themselves, I watched this with my own eyes some months ago. Extreme?. tell me ONE reason to CUT... even the monkeys don't cut it and they hang in there in trees where it is more difficult for the newborn to 'carry around' the placenta for a day or two. 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:17 by mx @201.1.54.148 : honor roll Honors shall go to Frederic Leboyer who is the great heroe of the 're-'humanization of birth. Michel Odent is mostly referenced for the Lotus birth paradigm. Again, in reality it's NOT something new, but rather NOT doing an idiotic thing like cutting of the placenta directly after birth. 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:18 by jmarc : I'm not a nurse Nor do I pretend to be one on the internet, but seeing how most moms are on their feet 12 hours after giving birth, I think it may be an issue of weight (that they are only too glad to be rid of) and portability. What's next? Placenta backpacks? Geesh. Make them clear so everyone can see them shimmer? 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:33 by mx @201.1.54.148 : think again... ;-) the mother is on their feet in 10 minutes after birth, if she wants to. See the picture in the gallery link. The placenta is NOT connected to the mother anymore after the birth. What is cut is only the connection between newborn and plazenta.. Issue of weight: 'uncut' babies don't lose weight after birth like babies that have their cord cut prematurely. They are not crying until the cord falls off by itself after 1-3 days (in rare cases longer). 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:40 by jmarc : yes but the proud momma is usually holding the baby. And the placenta, if your fad hits its stride. 16 Apr 2007 @ 20:44 by jmarc : the fad used to be to buy a tree and bury the placenta in the roots when you plant it. This becomes the child's tree. You could probably qualify for some carbon offset credits doing that. 16 Apr 2007 @ 21:19 by Merlin Silk @76.168.91.24 : Backpack Wow, I like the idea of a little rucksack for the baby to carry the placenta in - this will spawn a whole new industry - - - and familiarize the kid with the backpack astronauts are wearing for life support. - - SORRY! 16 Apr 2007 @ 22:03 by mx @201.26.108.79 : just wondering... where did you go the first day after the birth of your son? Universal Studios? 17 Apr 2007 @ 00:59 by a-d : I don't pretend either on Internet or anywhere else for that matter!... ( is this yet another (in-)famous "jmarc-"Moments", huh?!? Somehow it seems so... THANKS! But see, I AM by profession ( among other things/Ed.) an RN ... and a )good one to boot! ; ) . Of course, that does not mean that there wouldn't be a lot of things I'm not aware of (any longer, or maybe even never was) but to be and RN of the OLD SCHOOL, so to speak, from Scandinavia is nothing to sneeze at, as the saying goes. And yes.... Mammals have different ways to give birth. Just think about a giraffe; standing up, dropping the Poor Thing on to the ground Thump! ( and then Mom start licking the New-born an licking and eventually she reaches the Placenta, that's when she finishes up that!) The MOST NATURAL position for Human Mammals to give birth to their offspring is STANDING or crouching ( behind a bush, all by oneself -if you're an Aboriginee/ "Jungle Mom". To give birth in warm water standing, playing there is a very comfortable situation both for Baby AND Mom! http://www.waterbirth.org/mc/page.do http://www.waterbirthinfo.com/ http://www.waterbirthinfo.com/menu.html To choose Home birth over Hospital birth can also be a very good alternative for many people. ( That of course is a question of the Mothers confidence in people to assist her and if the pregnancy has been complication free ( which it should. Pregnancy is after all not a disease, but a natural thing, as is giving birth... and should be seen as such by Society at large -instead of being seen as something that strikes panic in "everyone". The Placenta is attached to Baby, as we all know, coz that thing dangles at the (other) end of the Umbillicord. The pulsation in the Umbillicord goes on appr five minutes and by then -if allowed- the Baby has adjusted to air and its new environment enough to start breathing on its own without any violent forced breathing (before Baby is ready to do so!). Leboyer's greatness comes from him breaking a painful habitfrom the INSIDE of AN INSTITUTION; indeed the birth procedure itself was/is an "Institution"! .... and he was the first one to draw wedge in there, so to speak, with his Soft Birth Idea/s. Thumbs up for Lotus Birth. It is one more step in the right direction! I don't really grasp the meaning and logic behind this statement: "It is too easy to go from one extreme into the other with non-violence and we have to watch that we don't go overboard in the other direction." Can you give any "Real Life"-examples? 17 Apr 2007 @ 01:06 by vaxen : Yes Absolutely beautiful and so very timely. Thank you so much for this lovely bit of information Max. In China, perhaps you know this already, the placenta is dried and sold as a soup base. Especially in Southern China where Cannabalism is State sanctioned. 17 Apr 2007 @ 20:05 by mx @201.42.33.171 : so where did this Meme come from??? so WHERE the heck did this habit of cord cutting come from? Anybody knows? 17 Apr 2007 @ 21:45 by a-d : Dear mx Sooooo many of the procedures in Modern Medicine are meant to do nothing but make the Doctor look (and of course feel) IMPORTANT!... nothing but VIP "Maneuvers" with one more "benefit" : to scare the daylights out of the poor Patient so they don't dare to ask you anything and even less question you as a HEALER!.... I don't know where this cutting of the Cord originated, but I do know that this stupid laying the birthing Mother her down on her back came from the MALE Dr's wanting to stare at her.... and to see "the Thing" come out... it was such a thrill (... and hmmm ... what else?...*!* ) to these MALE Doctors of the Early Stages of the Western Medicine, that it was made to be The Practice of Choice, indeed the ONLY Birth Practice for a looong time! ... And since 99.9 % of what goes on in Hospitals is pure and simple quackery.... the what else is there to expect? IMPRESS = confuse the Simple Folks with/by something they don't know how to argue against... and they will be your faithful Slaves forever! 17 Apr 2007 @ 21:55 by Dario @82.48.80.94 : ogundameji I think Ogundameji is in this Meme. My interpretation is that the child must to separate from his/her mother as ogun is the only orisha that can live without the help of anybody, so that (as symbol) the child begin to live in the earth. this is my perception of this Meme 17 Apr 2007 @ 23:12 by mx @200.171.190.214 : to Dario & a&d Dario, Cutting the cord is NOT seperating the child from the mother, it is cutting off the blood supply of the placenta. It is an insame and superfluous procedure and it is limited to the world of the humans, it seems. It is an abuse of male dominance ss a-d indicated and an abuse of technology (the knife of Ogun/Ogunda-Meji). A-d: Heloisa and I are with you 100% :-) Stay tuned for a summary of her thoughts on all of this! 18 Apr 2007 @ 00:58 by a-d : Well some Mammals do chew the cord off and eat the Placenta, but ( as far as I know) NOT before it has stopped pulsating and the Little one has started to breathe on its own, and these two things are thee BIG Factor here! But I will verify this Info from my Bro-In- Law who is a (SUPER-) Biologist. I will let you know. BTW, this statement of yours "... it is limited to the world of the humans..." makes me think of something else that Man is the ONLY Species of Animal doing so: raping -under the pretense of sex) its own females/kind ( and if it stopped there...; ) ....! NO OTHER SPECIES ON EARTH DO SO!... So much for decency and dignity, eh? ... Sigh!... Can't wait to hear Heloisa's thoughts! : ) Tell her I said Hi. /Love/A-d 18 Apr 2007 @ 13:06 by dany @82.106.52.219 : maybe I task that the cut of the ombellicale cord is the first opportunity and shape of ebo that the new born it can make. With certainty the ancestors buried the placenta and they donated it to Onile (the mother earth)to remain the cycle of the life - died - life. I think the days after birth , there is a precise and natural moment to do it (ebo). It'd be a natural process, indeed the maternal milk only arrive after hours/days (1 or 2) and probably coincides with the moment in order to cut the placenta.I don't see any other valid reason for this meme. this custom that in the time has gotten lost, therefore appears, less than it does not come used from others for the "same" reason......the mother cat supplies from endured to balance the equilibrium of the debits and the credits with its baby. no? 18 Apr 2007 @ 18:48 by Ed Dawson @66.245.206.33 : Where the meme came from In the West, surgury dominates the medical profession, and has for at least a century and a half. These surgeons make the rules, and since most of them are Ogun, they cut with knives at the slightest excuse. Their habits became fossilized as standard procedure, and cutting is now SOP. cheers Ed 20 Apr 2007 @ 03:51 by a-d : Dear Everybody I asked my Bro-In-Law about Mammals and their practice in eating the Placenta: They eat ONLY after the pulsating has stopped....ca five minutes and then it has stopped... and of course... if they didn't do this, the baby would start bleeding to death!.... but the Animal Mom's are smart and they know this!.... besides; it takes them at least five minutes to lick the baby all clean which is what they start with right after the baby is born... 22 Apr 2007 @ 03:54 by vaxen : Ouran... Maybe you need to update your knowledge about so called "Western" medicine as well as Yoruba. Try Obatala on for size. Maybe even Babalou though he'd probably kill you. Dan Baha Ullah (Damballah Wedo) might be more your size though Erzulie Dantor... ;)? Yeah... Yemanja can be super sweet, too... loves the color blue. 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