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The Sandorian Grove: The purpose of the white rabbit... |
Category: Articles 75 comments 22 Nov 2007 @ 19:45 by Dario @82.48.80.86 : i'm looking for the truth!I think we will/do know the truth only if we are into that! it seems the game never ends till we find an escape... so... if we are here, we ALL are dreaming! it's very sad. but, my question is... can we REALLY live this life without dreaming? 22 Nov 2007 @ 21:00 by mx @189.68.209.108 : to dream or not to dream, that is the q. we wouldn't be here if we wouldn't be dreaming.. doesn't seem too sad to me if one makes the best of it while it lasts... :-) 22 Nov 2007 @ 23:16 by Edward @71.118.49.225 : The dream The single god who is all beings was of course complicated by the Hindus who turn the supreme being into a triad of Brahma, Vishnu and Sheeva. So whenever the Hindus refer to one of the three (as an aspect of god), they refer to all of the three. So all their remarks about Brahma asleep and dreaming the world (universe), and the world being destroyed when Sheeva opens his eye, are all talking about the same big guy. And the big guy dreamed the whole dream before ever closing his eye. So can we ever think an original thought that has not been thought before? I think not. ;-))) 23 Nov 2007 @ 00:53 by mx @189.68.209.108 : great koan! "I think not" what a great koan! worthy of an all-time-all-star zen master :-) Was it dreamt before? why should it repeat? would you see a soap opera twice? (if you or I ever would see one once) 23 Nov 2007 @ 15:39 by ara @82.106.52.135 : become white rabbit I think that there are no truly new dreams .If you come to create a new game (never seen before) you are at the same level of the Creator and you are recording the matrix and if no one recognizes and sees , you can not share ... your game does not exist if there are not players willing to follow new rules. When someone sees it and is willing to follow blindfolded, you become a white rabbit, and your creation already becomes a dream. Until then my dear, you can have fun games to share that others can experience. Who knows if the white rabbit existed even when you were not entered into the forest and had not seen? perhaps he was there waiting for you notice about him or about his new creation :-) 23 Nov 2007 @ 21:01 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : subprime manifestation I don’t ask what the BIG purpose of ALL of this is. Although; it seems obvious this time around our purpose is to share. Max, I have studied your work and understood and learned. Our relationship is unique; it might seem like the same old song but nobody has danced our dance before. The 12 bar blues when approached with true wonder is often called modern jazz. Pure potent energy only offers subprime manifestation because our potential to manifest is infinite. A goal from the heart is not a game. Reincarnation is not a game. Life and death is not a game. Lovers making love is not a game. All these things have been done before and each time it was and will continue to be, unique. All children are born unique. 24 Nov 2007 @ 00:14 by Edward @71.118.49.225 : Generatives - Max said... Max said: "Was it dreamt before? why should it repeat? would you see a soap opera twice? (if you or I ever would see one once)" The key to this riddle is something Chris Melchior spotted a while back. He calls them "generatives". Generatives are automatic creations that come out of the "dark universe" (below the bottom of this universe, i.e. the source of the "static" Hubbard talks about). Out of the dark bottom are non-stop, on full automatic primes that propagate as fractals throughout this universe. These are the cause of repeating patterns of archetypes, scripts and playing fields. More details are in the 2007 archives of Techs4reality... you would have to do a search. 24 Nov 2007 @ 13:33 by mx @189.68.174.107 : super-goals / generatives it seems Chris talks about the same phenomenon that I described last year as 'super-goals' (see some write-ups earlier in this BLOG). They are above the collective goals and are (in its individual aspects) resolved via QLFP BUT ONLY AFTER resolving the collective goals (complete handling of the 'agree to agree or disagree' stuff. The circular auto-implant seems to consist in that the impulse to 'agree to agree or disagree' in itself is part of the super-goals ('generatives' if we are talking about the same thing). In any case, we find ourselves in paradoxical terrain (which was the point of the rabbit's discourse). Analyzing these super goals, it seems the manifestation of a dream is pointless, the dream itself is 'reality' unless the manifestations serve to create new dreams (or combinations of existing dream parts) that until now were not yet observed; Skywork has a chance to modify collective reality because it is done with more than one player involved while solo-processing per definition does not have this property. 24 Nov 2007 @ 17:28 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : source of generatives/super goals The peculiar thing about these generatives is their source. But first some background... This MEST universe and its shell of surrounding olodu has senior to it other universes. I say "senior" because of the two nearest, one appears to be higher than our universe and the other appears lower. The universe immediately senior to us is the co-existence universe. It has the apparency of being "higher". It is the universe that in the past has been described as "heaven", the "pool of shining gods", the "shining city on the hill", and inhabited by "choirs of angels". In it Beings use infinities and absolutes in playing very fast games. Those Beings in the co-existence universe who persistently fail and narrow down their awareness too much, drop down into the MEST universe as "fallen angels". Immediately senior to the co-existence universe is the dark universe, the universe of the Static. The absolutes use in the co-existence universe, and the binary splits of Tao used in the MEST universe, all have their source in the dark universe. Some shaman can access this place. Prime Creations which are splits of Tao like the olodu in the MEST universe, and also the absolutes in the co-existence universe, are being generated from this dark universe. The key quality of these generatives is that they do not appear to have a source. There seems to be no one creating them. Instead they seem to create themselves from nothingness. So... "Sourceless creations apparently on automatic". These are creations that cause goals, but are themselves goalless, or as you expressed it above, "pointless". cheers Ed 24 Nov 2007 @ 20:40 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : fantastic logic what is QLFP? and what is the Sandor&Dawson goal? 24 Nov 2007 @ 21:19 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : found it...Quantum-Leap-Frogging-Process QLFP http://www.orunla.org/pnohteftu/ch750.html 24 Nov 2007 @ 21:50 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Isu is having a lot of fun :-) "Time Track" and the "Whole Track". Ohm… Does Sandor&Dawson share Scientology’s greater concerns of the Whole Track? Are you two guys still trying to escape the universe? Ifa teaches us to trust the universe, not espape it. Divination is only limited by our world view. :-) There is no escaping the universe. You are either in the fields of multi colored cotton candy or at the dark bottom. Fear cannot reach bottom, lose your fear and drift down deeper and you will find the darkness is very shallow and it is very cushy soft. Dark Bottom is the safest place to go. Also, Isu is down there having crazy fun playing with a chemistry set. He will give you a choice when you get there, you don’t have to join his movie if you don’t want. But telling you now…. it looks like Isu is having a lot of fun. peace < 24 Nov 2007 @ 22:10 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : Well, actually... (gee, Mortimer) Max and I speak about exit from experience, both of us exit this universe for short periods of time. I even authored (accidentally, lol) a mechanical method for doing so using an odu. The space of this universe is iwori, contained or capped by odi. The method involves flipping them inside-out. Stumbled upon the method during one of Max's skywork sessions. As for terminology, Max and I use words from all over the place: scientology, buddhism, yoga, samkhya, huna, Ifa... even roman christianity... (I use "spiritu sancti" fairly often) cheers Ed 24 Nov 2007 @ 22:32 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : The method involves inside-out? hum.. i might spend some time and see your view. cheers 24 Nov 2007 @ 23:38 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : the technique There is a location 12"-18" above the head (in an incarnated person) where Life as the spiritu sancti enters this universe to descend into the thetan and upon the body. If you exteriorize straight up (as opposed to out the back of the head) and focus upon the shaft of faint blue light leading up to the fuzzy location where the holy spirit appears from outside this universe, you can move up the shaft to that point. As you attempt o move through that location (which has vanished, all you see is the shaft at this point), there will appear ahead of you a sense of infinite space. You move into that and it INSTANTLY is capped by infinite density beyond it. The infinite density (you feel like a bug which has hit a windshield) CRUSHES you back, to below the infinite space. But, if you prepare yourself beforehand you can counter this phenomenon. The instant you enter the sense of infinite space you create within your awareness an inner core of infinite density. Then when the density descends upon you, you are filled with an equal density. The next instant after, while holding the inner density, you reach out and place infinite space where the outer density is attempting to crush you. Because you are holding density on your inside as you do this, it flips the "space you are in plus density atop it" inside out. And you are free. The scientologists talk a lot about exteriorizing from the body. Child's play. This is exteriorizing from the material universe. But of course, you must be able to place olodu and odu to do the above technique... cheers Ed 25 Nov 2007 @ 03:29 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : inside-out method I tried the basic iwori/odi inside-out method and it caused all to appear inverted. Odi shrank and something initiated another dark bottom facing its opposite direction. Very cool Ed, this is the best view of parallel universe I has seen. Also, by utilizing 4 dimensional conceptualizations I can see a chain of switch back universes. Is a 4 dim visualization a fundamental truth? A 4d game http://harmen.vanderwal.eu/hypercube/ 25 Nov 2007 @ 04:29 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : uh oh... Sounds like you went the other direction... Did you get into the shaft of faint blue light? 25 Nov 2007 @ 05:00 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : 1-dimensional chains 1-link odi inside-out, where 0 designates the odi/iwori and 1 designates an outgoing link, 0 - 1 we can then form 1-dimensional chains that correspond to the positive integers z+ for which each vertex has 2 nearest neighbors. 2-link odi inside-out, where -1 designates an incoming link, -1 - 0 - 1 opportunity, ohm… -1 - 0 -1 - 0 -1 - 0 -1 - 0 - 1… repeat if necessary. :-) 25 Nov 2007 @ 05:24 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : the door No blue light. I just did it and it’s hard to explain… it would flash and push me back. It took about 15 minutes of back and forth. Each time I would analyze another odu, each time was very fast look. Intuition alone finally opened the door. You describe it much better than I do. It’s difficult to open at first but eventually I was able to maintain and visualize 4-dim. The 1-dim mapped above might help understand the 4-dim. 25 Nov 2007 @ 12:33 by mx @189.68.199.154 : both ways / paradigms: space vs density it works both ways, but starting with iwory is a killer procedure, in my experience. But I use 'spatial size/contraction' instead of the density perception. In other words, I make my space as small as the space of an atom and then it flips into the totalness, before popping out. But way cool, the sharing of stuff like this via BLOG... traditionally this was restricted to being talked about inside caves with heavily guarded secret portals.. 25 Nov 2007 @ 15:54 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Odi Solidity in space /Subspace vacuum 25 Nov 2007 @ 22:37 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Sharing Yes Max, I am very grateful for the opportunity. 26 Nov 2007 @ 02:42 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : killer iwori Yes, if you insist on iwori it will bite you HARD. What I do is rise up the opa osun (i perceive a shaft of faint blue), until I enter the iwori. Then comes the reaction, and I counter the reaction. I believe Max does something opposite: he goes small (negative pole of iwori) which allows him to expand infinitely. Matter, energy, space and time are held by the extreme poles of the four: space and mass. Of space and mass, mass is the negative, and therefore operationally senior. I realize this violates the standard Ifa sequence of olodu, but when have I ever stuck to standard tech, lol????? Heh heh... cheers Ed 28 Nov 2007 @ 11:38 by walking-mirror @68.209.134.124 : rear-view chicken-roast did somebody see a chicken? :-) 28 Nov 2007 @ 12:29 by mx @189.68.219.151 : it didn-t cross... the road.. at least not around here.. it was lost in the article.. 28 Nov 2007 @ 19:57 by vaxen : I ate... the chicken. In any case, even the caseless one, it is totally nice to see a few old timers opening up in such interlaced, unmitigated, guffaw! Carry on... Extra Golden got its start when Ian Eagleson was doing doctoral research in Kenya on the history of benga music between 2002-2004. Orchestra Extra Solar’s guitarist, Otieno Jagwasi, was helping Ian with his research. http://bennloxo.com/archives/2007/08/22/benga-in-america/ http://bennloxo.com/images/extra_golden.jpg 30 Nov 2007 @ 13:19 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : pre-established harmony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-established_harmony - Gottfried Leibniz's theory of pre-established harmony is a philosophical theory about causation under which every "substance" only affects itself, but all the substances (both bodies and minds) in the world nevertheless seem to causally interact with each other because they have been programmed by God in advance to "harmonize" with each other. Leibniz's term for these substances was "windowless monads". 1 Dec 2007 @ 01:29 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : "Programmed" by God? Leibniz is missing the mechanism. They causally interact because reality is created by agreement among all Beings. This is how skywork functions, by altering the agreements. 1 Dec 2007 @ 07:03 by vaxen : Nasty! So you're the ones! Hey, maybe we do not want our agreements to be altered? "Programmed" by God? Gold, Oil, Drugs... How about the acausal plane which, actually, cannot be said to be a plane at all. Beyond words...isness and Native State. True being, without form, void... 2 Dec 2007 @ 00:26 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Level the Oneness On the perceptual level the oneness of nature experienced by observation is an ambiguous image because it has infinite interpretations, although perhaps within the context of skywork I understand what you mean. :-) The universe restores balance. Ifa teaches us that we cannot control nature but instead we can utilize understanding and good charactor to control our vulnerabilities. Perhaps the non-Euclid missing 5th axiom is: trust the universe. In the hyperbolic model, for any given line l and a point A, which is not on l, there are infinitely many lines through A that do not intersect l. 2 Dec 2007 @ 21:45 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : Re: agreements altered Methinks Vaxen doth protest too much! ;-) But it is the easiest thing in the world to get someone to change their mind (actually their feelings, which direct the mind). Cooperation is almost automatic. Remember your Hubbard, the highest purpose is creation of an effect, and that any effect is better than no effect at all? So if you move into a stasis situation where no effect is being created, the beings involved will almost fall all over themselves helping you to create an effect, even if it is one they don't particularly want! And they WILL agree to the new effect! The weird thing about morphic fields (fields of agreement) is that a morphic field will dissipate unless it also contains DISAGREEMENTS. The disagreements will hold the field together and guarantee its effective operation. See, it's like this: a disagreement is a type of agreement. It is NOT a lack of agreement. Instead it is usually agreement plus protest! So your protests constitute agreements to disagree, causing a persistence. Max knows what I am talking about here. Heh heh, he is probably wishing I wouldn't talk about it so openly... lol! cheers Edward 3 Dec 2007 @ 01:26 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : soapbox hero I never studied Hubbard cos I never was a scientologist... ""the highest purpose is creation of an effect""??? Ah what? you just move into stasis and then fart into the microphone. :-) 3 Dec 2007 @ 20:22 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : You’re free to think for yourself ... The top level colleges and universities and various camps of thought, Critical Thinking gets low priority and the subject is just not taught enough. cheers 8 Dec 2007 @ 19:50 by vaxen : So does... Vax know what you are talking about here. And Vax also knows that our dear, dear, mentor was working for the freaking Company! Must have been one of those shards from the last in-carnation (Isn't carnation a brand of milk?) Hubbie loved his 'products.' MI6 loved the Hub. Good source, you know. As an OSS I can absolutely concur with ouran in his rendering of the causal persistance induced by static. The induction is in the ceremony (deduced from?) not the other way around and we'll forgive you, Mortimer, for mortifying the Scieno base by not being a scientologist (Though everyone really is, at heart, and that's the secret of scientology). So you'll have not a lot to fear from OSA because of/according to your renditions. I'm a Parascientologist myself (Glows in the dark and flies starships.) And a pretty good one (If I do say so myself.) No problem and it is always good to dis-agree cf. the above mentioned reason illustrated so...perfectly/imperfectly...by brother Cid De Ouran. Top level Universities? You have those in this world? Really? Can't tell from all the frightful bickering going on on your planet. And critical thinking does get low priority. The entrainment of the status quo gets you status quo and a little something else, too. The Agency knows best phenomena. Ever been to Iraq? Afghanistan? Darfur? Company made. Kosovo is about to 'heat up,' again, too...lots of work to do. Never any time to do it all in! So friggin MESTy! And max? He could put it all together, for sure, but the old Dada is out there skywalking amongst the never ending non existant static worlds of endless outer spaces. Thus has no time for us mere immortals. Multi dimensional, multi-versalic...absolute poetry. http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/images/EarthSong_Logo.jpg Music From Outer Space http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/ And his Free MP3 (Nice synth stuff) page: {http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/mp3page.php?page=MP3S} Plan 9 CIA http://qwstnevrythg.blog-city.com/plan_9_from_outer_space.htm A hoot http://eriklerouge.blogspot.com/2007/07/plan-nine-from-outer-space.html Another hoot: Leibniz's theory is best known as a solution to the mind-body problem of how mind can interact with the body. However, Leibniz also rejected the idea of physical bodies affecting each other, and explained all physical causation in this way. "Under pre-established harmony, the preprogramming of each mind must be extremely complex, since only it itself causes its own thoughts or movements, for as long as it exists. In order to appear to interact, each substance's "program" must contain a description of either the entire universe, or of how the object is to behave at all times, during all "interactions" which will appear to occur." - Wiki Oh, the preprogramming of 'each' mind IS extremely complex. That's what we've been saying all along! Damn the implanter orgs! We say that too. ;) Actually the mind of 'no mind' is really very simple. Start there, after you've been 'cleared,' of course. ;) Experientially, by degrees... Of course, in reality, where we are our being there are no such silly problems. BTW did Leibnitz work with Dr Gottlieb? Hal Puthoff? Ingo Swann? Price? Uri Geller? The CIA? Sounds awefully familiar; his stuff. Implanters rule! 8 Dec 2007 @ 21:51 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : what are you talking about? I don’t know the hubby lingo is what I meant to commutate. And when I do go search for meaning I only get the hubby outer room. It is somewhat frustrating that I understand only half of what you just said. Yamagoe http://www.bamboo-in.com/about-us/yamagoe_000.mp3 (Going over the Mountain) This is a traditional honkyoku shakuhachi flute solo which expresses the energy one needs to undertake a difficult task such as devoting one's life to their calling. 8 Dec 2007 @ 22:18 by vaxen : Oh, sorry about that, Mortimer. Ummm probably Ouran san can clear it up a bit for you as I don't think my thetanish ways were herein obfuscatory in any way...but, I could be wrong. So if you would be kind enough to tell me what it is you didn't understand I'd be more than happy to confuse you further. But, then, confusion is the first step in 'mind control,' 'brainwashing,' so you might just want to keep your mind (From 'mynd' which means: memory!) intact and forget it all. You might not... All Scienos are nasty little devils at core and really love to get a hold of innocent minds, dontcha know, and that goes for Parascienos too... (Salivatatory grin in evidence). ;) Thanks, too, for the Yamagoe shakuhachi piece! I love this form of formlessness... (Somewhere over the mountain...) "Therefore, the use of Occam's Razor (Or Gilette's) is one possible response to the concept of pre-established harmony: it is simpler for there to actually be a universe (Yuck, yuck!) of interacting objects (Or many universes ceaselessly interacting. Oh no!) than a universe of non-interacting objects (Like the Judeo-Islamo-Fascisto-Christian, they hope, 'one.') that must each behave as if they were interacting with an entire external universe (Dirty little minds!)." Hubby obviously never heard of the Buddhist doctrine (Mahayana) of the oneness of cause and effect (Or did he?) or of the linga sarira or of the subject and object are one Mendellation. Curses! Shiki Shin Funi is nice too. Or Ichi Nen San zen, aka: Three Thousand Worlds in a momentary state of existence... (Interesting thought/theta from the Maka Shikan) And Kabbalists posit 'Ain Sof Aur!' They posit Ain, too, and Ain comes first! Well, depending on whether you are coming to 'Malkut' or jetting out through Ain, Ain Sof, then Ain Sof Aur... Lebnitz, I think, was afraid, basically, of touch...did he 'have' a wife? I forget... Mortimer: "On the perceptual level the oneness of nature experienced by observation is an ambiguous image because it has infinite interpretations,..." OSS RA: Mortimer? Mortimer: Yes? OSS RA: See that wall Mortimer? Mortimer: Yes. OSS RA: Walk over and touch the wall. Mortimer: OK. OSS RA: Thankyou Mortimer. Can you 'feel' that wall? Mortimer: Yes. OSS RA: Thankyou Mortimer. Now...put your head through it. 8 Dec 2007 @ 23:32 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Blatant Bad Character? Vaxen; “”So you'll have not a lot to fear from OSA because of/according to your renditions.”” Thank you Vaxen, it would be wonderful if you would please explain your sentence above? 8 Dec 2007 @ 23:43 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : strange? that post just changed? within the post above - 8 Dec 2007 @ 22:18 by vaxen : somebody? just added this info; ---------------------------------------- Mortimer: "On the perceptual level the oneness of nature experienced by observation is an ambiguous image because it has infinite interpretations,..." OSS RA: Mortimer? Mortimer: Yes? OSS RA: See that wall Mortimer? Mortimer: Yes. OSS RA: Walk over and touch the wall. Mortimer: OK. OSS RA: Thankyou Mortimer. Can you 'feel' that wall? Mortimer: Yes. OSS RA: Thankyou Mortimer. Now...put your head through it. ---------------------------------------- what is OSS RA? 9 Dec 2007 @ 01:18 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : strange? another post just changed?.. 8 Dec 2007 @ 19:50 by vaxen : I dont see an edit link? How do you keep changing your post's? Also Vaxen, me never said i agreed or disagreed with Leibniz. peace 11 Dec 2007 @ 16:05 by vaxen : spookiness... 'Ill explain some of that later, Mortimer san. Mundo Futuro is what brought me here today. Found an ancient place out on the web...a ruin deep in the jungle of the net (or net of the jungle as the case may be) Flemming, Gezi, Max and, weirdly, Ouran all had commented there... So I, of course never to be outdone, just had to pop up and say something. However...that was then - in their then - so...lo and behold, I come here today and there is Mundo Futuro in the recent comments section of Dada's blog! I ate the rabbit too. ;) Sue me. There Ouran had asked for a translation of a bit of Portughese into, I presume, English - so I did my best, quipped a bit, came back to the future and...wham! There I saw Mundo Futuro staring back at me from Max's place! So...when two, or more, people are gathered together, at the same, time questing the white rabbits brilliant mane you'll notice the comments changing if the people doing the comments are adding or deleting from their comments... Since you are coming from 'the outside' worlds and aren't in the inner sanctum you can't edit your comments. But if you become a member, jump down the rabbit hole so to speak, you'll be able to blog and shmog and snog and clog with the best of em. Is that clear Ensign? Back to the bridge now as I see one helluva storm coming at us off the port bow. True, you never said whether or not you agreed with Leibnitz. He was a hero of mine when I was a little tyke sailing up the Nile with Quincy Jones and the Krewe from the Corazal river fiasco. Phenomenology is a bitch...and then you die. Ta TaTa and Rata Tata Tui... So the baby was actually born in Gezi's back yard and was NOT recorded! And a few old NCN CD's are still out there as archeological quizzardries. Flemming's speech, on that day, has gone the way of the wind...and dead babies cry out for forgiveness. Viva Sapato! Viva Salat! Somewhere in Darmstadt a Wirthian laments... "Contos Verdadeiros dos Mundos Estrangeiros." Trance-late and trance often! Translation -(But only for Ouran who doesn't speak French enough to understand the Guese.)- sort of: "The true content of foreign (strange) worlds." ConCur? 11 Dec 2007 @ 20:32 by vaxen : Quasimodo... meets the Cisco kid: Welcome! The Freecycle Network is made up of 4,188 groups with 4,177,000 members across the globe. It’s a grassroots and entirely nonprofit movement of people who are giving (& getting) stuff for free in their own towns. It’s all about reuse and keeping good stuff out of landfills. Each local group is moderated by a local volunteer (them’s good people). Membership is free. To sign up, find your community by entering it into the search box above or by clicking on “Browse Groups” above the search box. Have fun! http://www.freecycle.org/ 11 Dec 2007 @ 20:37 by mx @189.68.237.194 : old NCN CDs in those days, it took me two months to find a place that agreed to make a runoff of 1000 CDs that were NOT music (without warranty whatsoever, hein), finally, something that could be read both by Mac AND PCs... impossible !!!... it was mastered on one of the first Sony CD writers available on the market and it didn't work on all drives (or still don't). sweet nostalgia... remembrances on old egos, long since faded away (the super ego(s) still exist, don't worry!), Be it as it was, I would like to have back one of our old CDs to put into a frame onto the wall... when I moved from LA, there were still a bunch in the shed... but alas... who has one left? mx btw.Mestre Vaxen.. not to take away from your brilliant elaborations, but it's Wurstian, not Wirstian.. 12 Dec 2007 @ 05:16 by vaxen : Oopsala! Our goodly, and sainted, Dada returns to these shores for a brief moment of time causing corrections to be made in the temporal flux allowing 'the Var' to remember this: The Daughter of Time, when she was locked deep in the bowels of "The Sphinx," was eating the chicken and the rabbit that she stole, whilst crossing the road, when she discovered "The Lost Shadows" of Maximillian the Skywalker... Then she, whilst doing "Polar Dynamics" exercises galore, suddenly found herself, once again, breathing in and out... The sweet technological/magickal air of Golden Darmstadt ("Technische Universität Darmstadt")! TU for short... She landed near the 'Ring.' She was so amazingly delighted to have escaped the grasping claws of the Sphinx that she immediately sent for some good German Wurst, best in the world, ordered some good and dark German beer and proceeded to exteriorize her bliss... By breaking her teeth on Algol and early Pascal mixed in was a bit of ConCur. She is now on Helatrobus getting implanted by our Henchmen. Thank GOD! Gold, Oil, Drugs. Good to see you max and maybe we can 'manifest' some of those old, wonderful, CD's for you... http://www.zbh.uni-hamburg.de/wurst/ *** Ummm, but... "...A student of Niklaus Wirth, creator of the language Algol and Pascal, contributed to the creation of the 'Concurrent Pascal' in the years 70, with the implementation of the first speech-synthesis using PARCOR (1977) and the first-Compiler Compiler (THD, Darmstadt 1980 )..." Wirth? ;) When is a Wirthian a Wurstian and a Wurstian a Wirthian and what was the Wurst Wirth? Darmstadt Brots! Would the goodly, and sainted, Father ConCur (Care to comment) about the "Brots?" http://www.complexification.net/gallery/machines/buddhabrot/ The point is iterated through the function, z = zˆ2 + c, where z has components in both the real and imaginary planes. The fifth one reminds me of Ouran exteriorizing via the Sahasrara Mandale where each bailout value level occupies a unique color channel... Whoot! ;) 12 Dec 2007 @ 22:05 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : didn't either... Silly Vaxen! My preferred/easy exteriorization is halfway up the opa osun, i.e. straight up through the top of the head. Hubby's "be three feet in back of your head" just seems bizarre to me. Of course, that isn't really Hubby's. Someone else thought it up and Hubby took credit for it. I talked to the guy, and he said that the original version was "Try NOT to be three feet in back of your head." Makes one wonder how much original work Hubby actually did... any? Or did he only crib, borrow, lift and steal? Too bad, really. His work will always have a footnote next to it warning that much if not all of the material he claimed to be "source" of, is actually the work of others. ;-P 12 Dec 2007 @ 22:17 by sidwalk swami @68.209.134.124 : during his short stay in Spaceland ""To The Inhabitants of SPACE IN GENERAL And H. C. IN PARTICULAR This Work is Dedicated By a Humble Native of Flatland In the Hope that Even as he was Initiated into the Mysteries Of THREE Dimensions Having been previously conversant With ONLY TWO So the Citizens of that Celestial Region May aspire yet higher and higher To the Secrets of FOUR FIVE OR EVEN SIX Dimensions Thereby contributing To the Enlargement of THE IMAGINATION And the possible Development Of that most rare and excellent Gift of MODESTY Among the Superior Races Of SOLID HUMANITY"" Flatland A romance of many dimensions http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/ 12 Dec 2007 @ 22:30 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : actually the work of others. It seems that ""original work"" comes from Ifa. peace 13 Dec 2007 @ 01:33 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : original Ifa? I wouldn't call Ifa "original". I would call it accurate. The 16 olodu system is scattered all over africa -- who knows how old it is and where it originated. And the chinese have a related system called I Ching that operates on the same turf. These systems are simply mirrors of reality itself, so we can expect many other forms of Ifa scattered across space-time. 13 Dec 2007 @ 05:32 by vaxen : Sounds like... an NLP bind to me ("Try not to be three feet in back of your head.") But 'straight' up and out is exactly what I was referring to, Edwardo, mon ami. Check out the Buddha Brot #5 and you'll see what I mean. Didn't mention, anywhere, three feet. ;) And the ajina portal is not exactly where most think it is...anyway, hi. And mortimer san by IFA do you mean IFA De Oro, Yoruba, or IFA De Freezone International? Long before either I am. Oooo..."HU Haya Terem Sh' Olmo Nivra." - Ha Siddur Yeah, I was never much of a Guru worshipper but Hub, in his earlier work, did give credit (Do you know Otto?). But, even then, I suspect ONI, CIA, IRS and a whole other side of things to have been avidly at work on the sacral function. But, then, you'd have had to have gone through the Phoenix program at China Lake to understand fully the references. The 'hospital' there was 'special.' Hell, lots of the OTO material, also claimed to be theirs but taken from others, is found in the work of the Hub. Even so there are some milestones set and SCN makes for a great Mind Control Operation and out of it came many Spooks. But, then, there is a play on words going on in the compound word 'Scientology.' The Greek Skieno referring to...ghosts. Ever hear Hebers experiences in this regard? In MEST what can be original anyway? Hell we are how many GUMS O/R now? ;) Time to end cycle don't ya think? cf: Rights of a Thetan and the Proto Sinaitic form of the 9th letter (Thet which is same as the Greco Phoenician Theta) Thet. An X (The Rune 'Gebo') inside a circle (The circle by itself is the Proto Sinaitic Ayin [ayin means eye and source]). Please do have a look at the 'Buddha Brots.' Yeah, the Book of Changes. Which Leibnitz, incidentally, also studied. Shao Yung's arrangement of the Greater Heaven is awesome. Also when you remember that there are two extra 'bits' that aren't numbered? ;) From the great Tai Chi comes two then... And I love the Fibonacci sequences. When applied to the Yi Ching? Fabulosa, Maravillosa, Fantastico! Very illuminating... TaTa and Merry 'X' mass. Multidimentional X inside a sphere...Hagalaz minus Isa! Oof! 13 Dec 2007 @ 16:00 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : Oh good... Heh, you know I mean Yoruban Ifa. No I don't know Otto. Didn't go through any program, or programming, lol! :))) I tend to be wary of organizations and their mind control through morphic fields. Even as a supposedly docile scientologist I always did "other practices". I was doing magick downstairs in the mimeo room at Seattle org when I was staff there! And the powers that be (Dorothy Broaded and her henchwomen) didn't suspect a thing. Only one ethics officer ever did, and she couldn't prove shit because I have conscious control of e-meter needle movement. So to all who would "own" others I say the magic words used by 5 year olds: NYAH NYAH NYAH! ;-))) Skieno is Greek for ghost? Interesting. A ghost is an energy field, AKA aura, AKA theta, astral and even etheric bodies. And OTO magick (actually it is Golden Dawn magick) works those fields a lot. But the Golden Dawn didn't originate it. For example, the magick process of creating a Body of Light (homunculus) is the same as written down in the Pali language in the early texts of Buddhism, and Hubby "borrowed" it for the process where you mock up two bodies and move them close to each other and let them discharge. Angstgiving is past, so a Marykissmyass and a Happy Hangover to ya, Vaxen! cheers Ed 13 Dec 2007 @ 18:05 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : IFA - Earlier IFA The Global Early Religion of the Global Early Civilization was probably similar to IFA, the indigenous religion of Africa, the place of origin of Humanity. Most likely, ALL Human Religions evolved from IFA, sometimes introducing special characteristics based on Local/Regional cultures after the breakup of the Global Early Civilization. IFA, whose divination system seems to be based on the same 256-dimensional Clifford Algebra Cl(1,7) as the D4-D5-E6-E7-E8 VoDou Physics Model, is probably not only the source of all Human Religions, but also divination systems such as I Ching (64-dimensional), Tarot (78-dimenisonal), etc., and the abstract structures of the Natural Physical World such as Elementary Particle Physics, Quantum Consciousness, Cosmology, etc. Here is an Introduction to VoDou Physics. http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/VodouFA.html peace 14 Dec 2007 @ 01:18 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : Tony Smith Yeah, thanks Mortimer, but Max and I read Tony's stuff years ago. Max got more out of it than I. He has a degree in math. I'm just a magician. So is Max, so I guess that makes him a mathemagician???? ;-))) cheers Ed 14 Dec 2007 @ 01:19 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : The Akashic records Aksh(Akasha is a Sanskrit word previously meaning "sky", "space" or "aether"… and oh great , it now also means… Morphic fields?), a term popularized from Madame Blavatsky’s World View denoting a collection of mystical knowledge encoded in a non-physical plane of existence. The Records contain all knowledge, including all human experience, held in the Universe. The Akashic Records are metaphorically described as a library and are also likened to a universal computer or the 'Mind of God'(proof of Blavatsky’s Christian world view). The records are supposed to be constantly updated (more proof). The concept originated in the theosophical movements of the 19th Century, and remains prevalent in New Age discourse. It is my opinion that Blavatsky (a Sci-Fi author) is the most plagiarized new age author. Example; we have Blavatsky to thank for the term “astral projection” and the fantastic “past life” phenomena which does not relate the basic tenets (of effective ancestor source) necessary for effective long term results. My bottom line new age opinion... Nobody can see thru our ancestor’s eyes while maintaining primarily a western world view. Peace 14 Dec 2007 @ 05:21 by vaxen : Heh, heh... well, be that as it may Aksh (Akasha) also simply means 'Magickal ritual.' Got that from Sri Sri Ananda Murti otherwise known as P.R. Sarkar founder of Prout. Blavatsky, like Hubbard, took from here and took from there but that she had magickal prowess there can be no doubt. Movements are movements. Like the bowels of the human body the earth needs to take a bowel movement every now and then. It's seems to be a cyclical thing...very MESTy stuff. --- Adam Gorightly http://www.blogtalkradio.com/gorightly "Chaos is the law of nature; order is the dream of man." --Henry Brooks Adams Global Architectronics Hermann Hesse not only wrote the classic introspective novels Siddhartha and Steppenwolf, but won the Nobel prize in Literature (1946) for his final masterwork published under two titles in English: The Glass Bead Game or Magister Ludi. This work (set in the 23rd Century) describes a cadre of individuals and their headmaster -- the Magister Ludi -- engrossed in interdisciplinary play engineering cultural values from behind the scenes. Hesse never forthrightly explained just how the game is played, but gave many hints to its structure for future aspirants seeking solutions to the critical predicament of mankind through Global Architectronics. The Glass Bead Game requires that its players synthesize aesthetics and philosophy. The Glass Bead Game is thus a mode of playing with the total contents and values of our culture; it plays with them as, say, in the great age of the arts a painter might have played with the colors on his palette. The Game's synthetic, non-linear information play is a forerunner of virtual reality. After each symbol conjured up by the director of a Game, each player was required to perform silent, formal meditation on the content, origin, and meaning of this symbol, to call to mind intensively and organically its full purport. The members of the Order and of the Game associations brought the technique and practice of contemplation with them from their elite schools, where the art of contemplation and meditation was nurtured with the greatest care. The variety of the phenomenal world reached perfection and ultimate cognition only in the divine Unity. Thus, "realizing" was a favorite expression among the players. They considered their Games a path from Becoming to Being, from potentiality to reality... We would scarcely be exaggerating if we ventured to say that for the small circle of genuine Glass Bead Game players the Game was virtually equivalent to worship. The name Castaglia, the place of knowledge, is the Italian form of the Latin Castalia, which was the Roman name for the spring on Mount Parnassus where dwelt the mythical Muses. Castalia was also the name for the abstract realm of the intelligentsia. Under the shifting hegemony of now this, now that science or art, the Game of games had developed into a kind of universal language through which the players could express values and set these in relation to one another. Let the game begin? http://beyondmkultra.50megs.com/whats_new_8.html 14 Dec 2007 @ 08:09 by vaxen : Architectronix EVOLUTION OF BELIEF PARADIGMS Stage 1: Archaic: Survival, the Ground Zero of Existence. Self-preservation, isolation; antisocial. Paranoid or idiosyncratic beliefs. Stage 2: Tribal: Truster/Trickster. Social; love, belonging. Self-sacrifice vs. selfishness. Transgression; taboo. Ethnocentric magical and superstitious beliefs. Stage 3: Egocentric: Power; Esteem; Autonomy, heroic. Unscrupulous Competition/Hero. Shame vs. honor. Exploitation vs. Respect. Mythic beliefs. Stage4: Moral/Patriotic. Rules; Initiative. Shame and guilt vs. conformity and conventionality; purpose, virtue. Systematized truths. Emotional, nostalgic beliefs. Stage 5: Materialist. Reasoning; mental analysis. Rational beliefs, truth; goodness; consumerism, greed. Head vs. heart. Progressive if rewarded, compulsive, workaholic. Perspective. Rational beliefs. Stage 6: Wise Empath. Service, rapport, intimacy, empathy. Politically correct.. Inner wisdom, meaning. Self-actualization. Intuitive, mystical beliefs. Stage 7: Distancer/Self. Paradoxical; individuated, reclusive; universalist. Deconstruction and Synthesis, gestalt, the big picture. Integral, synergetic beliefs. Stage 8: Global Village. Complex Dynamic Beliefs. Post-Metaphysical Integrative Spirituality. “Express Self Now, but not at the expense of Others or the World, so that Life May Continue.” Integrative Sustainable beliefs. --- "If you can't protect the integrity of the system, there is no system." D.) The Ritalin Generation -- The extensive use of Ritalin and related drugs has caused great damage to the current generation. Why are so many children now diagnosed as ADD, ADHD, oppositional, or attachment disordered? These amphetamine-based drugs also came from the MK Ultra program. Approximately only 25% of the military age population even meets standards for induction in the Armed Forces. Congress has failed to take action. Activists have been intimidated into leaving the country. Another solution that may have offered a convenient way to treat hyperactivity, etc. has backfired in a massive way. E.) L. Ron Hubbard's Scientology has become a fashionable method of coping with life throughout the world but especially in Hollywood. Many famous stars are important advocates including Tom Cruise. The origins and implications of Dianetics are discussed in relation to its mind control origins. L. Ron Hubbard was a Naval Intelligence Officer based in Silver Spring, MD. Similarly Carl Schleicher was a former Naval Intelligence Officer based in the same city a decade later. An interesting coincidence, if nothing more! But then many intel agencies are based in the area. F.) Where mind control technology is headed is not well known, but it has gone wireless. Implants are no longer necessary. Perhaps many of those UFO abductees are actually MK victims. The near future will include Direct Brain/Computer Interface (BCI). We can only assume the real programs are held very tightly by the US Government. The hideous effects, which many of the programs have caused, cannot be over-emphasized. Reportedly, both MIT and The University of Michigan are strongholds for Tavistock influence in the USA. THE ULTIMATE POWER TRIP: Cold warriors, wizards, professors collaborate, not to make the world safe for democracy, but for control of your mind and the mass of humanity. PSYCHIC WARFARE, INFORMATION WARFARE, PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, BIOLOGICAL WARFARE DEW Weapons, Scalar Weapons, Ionospheric Holography, Ion cyclotron resonance, more http://ionatopia.50megs.com/ 14 Dec 2007 @ 12:02 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : holy smokes (gee, Vaxen) what happen to purpose of the white rabbit? :-) ohm... have you ever tried any of these warfare techniques? did it work? NO!, etc. has backfired in a massive way. 14 Dec 2007 @ 18:41 by vaxen : The white rabbit? "On my way through the dark forest, I stumbled once again over the white rabbit." I kicked the little devil in the teeth then fried him/her/it in a pan and ate him/her/it! Next time I'll just send the frickin fox down the hole after our lovely little bunny. http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/0/0c/Heliospheric-current-sheet_edit.jpg/196px-Heliospheric-current-sheet_edit.jpg I ate the damned chicken too! So sue me! And the warfare techniques are working on you right now. The techniques are working all over the world, as a matter of fact. But it is interesting that you, having no experience whatsoever in this area or arena, should ask me a question then answer it for yourself...rather snide of you but that comes with the territory you inhabit I'm sure. 'Blowback' is what 'we' call backfire. It is taken into account and I do mean 'account.' Or rather I should say 'accounts' for there are many of them and they are mostly hidden from prying eyes. Whatever it takes to get the job done. But I digress. See Quasar in Front of Galaxy, http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041001quasar-galaxy.htm Incidentally we also call Aksh (Akasha) Plasma http://www.plasmacosmology.net/ (Plasma of Physics) so for... Further reading: http://www.plasma-universe.com/index.php/Kristian_Birkeland Know plasma, know 99.999% of the Universe (No plasma, no Universe) The Plasma Universe is a term coined by Nobel Laureate Hannes Alfvén to highlight the importance of plasma throughout the Universe. Plasmas vary according to temperature and density, and have characteristics that scale over many orders of magnitude. http://www.plasma-universe.com/ "No hand can make the clock strike for me the hours that are passed." Byron Rupert Sheldrake, a professor at Cambridge University, has popularised the idea of morphic fields. To oversimplify, he theorises that memory is inherent in nature, and that all natural systems, from crystals to animals, inherit a memory of their kind. Each system is shaped by this pooled or collective memory. It is a view, of course, that has parallels with the Electric Universe, where there is a complex dance of electric particles and sub-particles. http://www.sheldrake.org/ Mortimer? Implanted yet? How mortifying that must be for you who are so sure of? Nothing...and by 'there' you really mean they're. Point taken. "Wherever you go there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai "Slowly, human, one thing at a time... tell me, and think well before you answer: do you think you ever thought of something that was never thought before?" OSS RA Division 7 Department 21 Space Orgs 14 Dec 2007 @ 19:55 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : No there not working on me :-) Firstly, you just tried to implant me with that idea and it did not work. Secondly, your view is wrong, just change your perspective and view the whole and perhaps you see what I mean. peace 14 Dec 2007 @ 20:14 by vaxen : Happy Belated Birthday "Secondly, your view is wrong, just change your perspective and view the whole and perhaps you see what I mean." - mortimer fud http://www.plasma-universe.com/images/thumb/0/0e/Sun-corona.jpg/196px-Sun-corona.jpg Heh, heh...since you do not even know my view or my perspective I'll take that staement in the light of the Sun and douse it with the wet winds of real knowledge throughout the portals of non existant time and the state of your mental MEST. Sublime indifference to the state of your own ignorance will serve you well, for a time times a time and half the time but...there will come forth the awesome day of reckoning. Smile, you're on candid camera. "But hitherto I have not been able to discover the cause of those properties of gravity from phenomena, and I frame no hypotheses." Isaac Newton "The machines that are first invented to perform any particular movement are always the most complex, and succeeding artists generally discover that with fewer wheels, with fewer principles of motion than had originally been employed, the same effects may be more easily produced. " The first philosophical systems, in the same manner, are always the most complex." Adam Smith Dec 13, 2007 Happy Birthday Kristian Birkeland Kristian Birkeland was called the first space scientist because of his pioneering experiments in the early 1900s. December 13, 2007, marks his 140th birthday. VAR 14 Dec 2007 @ 20:16 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Slowly, one thing at a time... ""do you think you ever thought of something that was never thought before?"" Max tried this already; Ed answered ""I think not"" Vaxen, do you think it is a malevolent universe out to get you? peace 14 Dec 2007 @ 20:19 by vaxen : Heh... Malevolence is in the eye of the beholder, grasshopper, so therefore let us examine that question of your's a bit further, shall we? "We have direct evidence of the superluminal action of the electric force, given that gravity is a longitudinal electric force. Indeed, Newton's celebrated equation requires that gravity act instantly on the scale of the solar system. It has been calculated that gravity must operate at a speed of at least 2x1010 times the speed of light, otherwise closely orbiting stars would experience a torque that would sling them apart in mere hundreds of years. Similarly, the Earth responds to the gravitational pull of the Sun where it is at the moment, not where the Sun was 8 minutes ago. If this were not so, the Earth and all other planets in the solar system would be slung into deep space within a few thousand years. Gravity is therefore an electrical property of matter, not a geometrical property of space. "The implication is that many phenomena which until now have been regarded as purely statistical in character -- such as the distribution of fluctuations in the momentary rates of radioactivity measured in a sample -- are somehow controlled or at least strongly influenced by an astrophysical factor..." In his book, The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of The Bicameral Mind, Princeton Psychologist, Julian Jaynes, theorises that our current state of subjective consciousness is a relatively recent phenomena, and that mankind not so long ago lacked the same degree of self-awareness that we enjoy today. In recent millennia mankind may have acted at the mercy of a now largely defunct area of the right brain, in a fashion more similar to that of some form of automaton. Strange as this may sound, Jaynes provides some powerful and compelling arguments to support his case. Interestingly, the time frames he proposes for this breakdown in bicamerality coincide roughly with those suggested in much catastrophism related thought. Though Jaynes was not a catastrophist in any conventional sense, there exist some interesting parallels, nonetheless. "So astounding are the facts in this connection, that it would seem as though the Creator himself had electrically designed this planet..." Tesla http://www.plasmacosmology.net/images/tesla.jpg "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." Albert Einstein http://www.plasmacosmology.net/images/tesla_coil.jpg Gotta GO, for now, grasshopper but I'll see ya in the tenth dimension at the old watering hole. Quarks away! But, in parting, here's a gebo (gift) for ya: http://www.haltonarp.com/articles I'd suggest you start with: Astronomy By Press Release - News From A Black Hole Since the force of gravity varies as the square of the inverse distance between objects why not make the ultimate extrapolation and let the distance go to zero? You get a LOT of density. Maybe it goes BOOM! But wait a minute, maybe it goes in the opposite direction and goes MOOB! Whatever. Most astronomers decided anyway that this was the only source that could explain the observed jets and explosions in galaxies. Of course it gets very complicated. Also there are a few annoying details right from the beginning: 14 Dec 2007 @ 23:41 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : about Vaxen... Mortimer, the thing to understand about Vaxen is that the spiritual being is not in charge of the communication you receive from Vaxen. In Vaxen the thinking/reasoning mind (bandarlog brain, primate mind) is running the show. To borrow a phrase from Geoff Filbert, Vaxen has been "conquered by a flea", i.e. the divine spirit is dominated by a mere entity. That said, it is a very clever and amusing entity, and a lot of fun. But do not take its communication as anything serious. This is a predisposed condition most likely involving the odu ori. The odu involved perceptibly has osa on the outside (all those shifty viewpoints), and might be something like osa'she or something similar. Sorry to have to pin flat your game, Vaxen, but you're being just a wee bit out of control. cheers Ed 15 Dec 2007 @ 00:06 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Little Isu’s…I carve heads… I come from a place were I rather tango 20 gorillas than a witch. And yet When 201 witches hung chickens on my door, I broke out the barbecue. Done this to many times, perhaps I know what your talking about Vaxen. When the chem. trails started fallen out of the sky,,,,, I ended up playing a bamboo flute (pretty good too). And what do I do, First I Trust the Universe. (Actually I acerbated the number of witch’s, and gorillas.) 15 Dec 2007 @ 03:21 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Little Isu’s Ed's Heads Tikis! Inventory of carved tiki http://www.edsheadstikis.com/ That’s not me, I do clay. Vaxen, when you said ""Watch out for those Gorillas"" did you mean ""the company""? Peace 15 Dec 2007 @ 04:16 by vaxen : Yes Baba... "The Company." ;) Thanks. Now as for 'pinning flat?' And 'flea?' ;) Right. Hahahahaha! Someday Edward will bridge the gulf. TIll then...flat is all he can see, do, be. But that's ok, too. MOCO's are free once they know that they are... http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/image07/071213birkeland.jpg I used to sculpt a lot too. Have sent a few African leaders to the crossroads to sacrifice chickens also. Pretty much now I just enjoy riding my horses. And, of course, meeting new beings not sequestered behind ideological masks. "The implication is that many phenomena which until now have been regarded as purely statistical in character -- such as the distribution of fluctuations in the momentary rates of Edwards heartbeat measured in a sample -- are somehow controlled or at least strongly influenced by an astrophysical factor..." Olodumare ;) 15 Dec 2007 @ 12:54 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : sequestered behind ideological masks ;) The word “witch”… that word was introduced into Ifa by western world view? I was speaking metaphorically ‘the company’’ is just a bunch of witches. Well, they are utilizing negative earth energies irresponsibly. But today I had choose a better word for witches. peace 15 Dec 2007 @ 15:34 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : I was wrong... to say somebody’s view is wrong, I should instead use the word “”ineffective””. There’s no wrong/right view but there is… effective and ineffective view points. Peace 15 Dec 2007 @ 17:25 by vaxen : Actually... mortimer san the word witch comes from the sanskrit Vidya meaning Wisdom. Ever hear of Grimmms Law? Lots of words sneak in and out of languages that way. From it we also get Wita, Wittani, Wicca, Wit, Wisdom, Witty, and so forth... The realm of opposites is filled with, well, opposites endlessly genuflecting in fron of one another...the clashing rocks of the Argonaut story. You know, Jason and the Argonauts when they went sailing between the clashing rocks of Iolchos was it? Linguistics and semantics, when applied, can bridge some major hurdles of understanding by enabling us to examine roots. Ah, roots...I love roots. Sassafrass and ginseng are two of my favorites. Ineffective can be used very effectively by the one who knows how to create and the number "zero" as well as the concept of Hiranyagharba came to us all through Baharat. So...the chicken or the egg? Multiverses without end. Lots of words in verses and beyond them all? ;) Suchness. thanks for the dialogue, mortimer. Any thoughts on joining NCN and writing up a blog and maybe creating a chart space? Back to the Horn of Africa and my command group there... Later Amigo. RA Merry X-mas all. 15 Dec 2007 @ 18:15 by mx @189.68.207.161 : glasperlenspiel (glass bead game) and Fa for me the 256 pearls of Odu constitute the best glass bead game one could invent. Am still working on the descriptions of its math, though...had an entire page of its axioms and rules.. alas I left it in the rain and then a white dove was shitting on it and it became mostly illegible... so I still wonder if the white dove was trying to tell me something.. 15 Dec 2007 @ 22:55 by vaxen : La Paloma: That's hillarious Max! Fortunately you need but reinvoke/evoke what you already know and, maybe, rewrite it down somewhere to be included amongst the worlds never forgotten lore. 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 etc... ;) Odu? Olorun, se Baba! Hope the following will be of interest to ye IFAn. If it is too long, Baba Max, please let me know and I'll edit it down...may need a reformat too. Here goes: Odu governing the year from Ife - Ose-Biile 2006/2007 Aboruboye Abosise I greet you all in the name of Orunmila the first teacher on earth, with this email, please feel free to forward email to all you wish and spread/teach the message of Ifa-OseBiIrete for this new year around, it is important all Ifa people around the world have this information, I will be attempting to make available in spanish language within a short time frame for those who speak latin languages only. May the Irunmole bless and protect those that follow the ways laid out before us, ASE http://www.assatashakur.org/ Awoyinfa Ifaloju Int'l Coordinator At-Large International Council for Ifa Religion OKE ITASE ANNUAL IFA DIVINATION FOR THE YEAR 2006/2007 ODU OF THE YEAR – OSE IRETE ALIASES _ Ose ’Birete, Ose Biile By: International Council for Ifa Religion & International Ifa Training Institute Messages: 1. Ifa foresees ire for us this year; every body is advised to propitiate his/her Ori with 2 kola nuts each. We are also advised to serve Ifa with 2 kolanuts each. Ifa says that we need to offer ebo and place all our hopes and aspirations in Olodumare. Ifa says that Olodumare is our major pillar of support and our savior and we must always worship him every morning. We should also propitiate Ifa. If we can do these, success and accomplishment shall be ours in all our endeavors. On these, Ifa says: Ihin ni n ba ya si Ohun ni n ba ya si Irona- irona laa sin’ku ore eni Dia fun Orunmila Baba n se ohun gbogbo Ti okan ko yanri Won ni ko lo fi Olorun re se baba Gbami o Olorun mi gbami o Iwo ni mo gbiye mi le o Gbami o Olorun mi gbami o Iwo ni mo feyinti Gbami o Olorun mi o gbami o Enikan kii feyin ti Olodumare Ko doju ti ni. Translation I would have taken this path Or perhaps the other path In confusion do one execute the burial ceremony of one’s close friend This was the Ifa’s message to Orunmila When he was doing all things without any accomplishment He was advised to adopt Olorun (God) as his father He complied Save me, please my Olorun Save me You are the one I rely upon Save me, please my Olorun Save me You are my pillar of support Save me, please my Olorun Save me Nobody relies on Olodumare and be disappointed 2. Ifa says that everybody should propitiate the Orisas in all our respective families with one kola nut each in order for us to get the ire that we want and to receive the support of all the Orisa at all times. On this, Ifa says: Ese ‘bi nii to awe To ba d’ode orun, a di otooto Dia fun Alakesi A bu fun Alakenta Dia fun Alake idandan Omo eree ja ju iwo lo Aye wa n ye Alakeesi Aye ye Alakenta Aye ye Alake idandan Omo eree ja ju’wo lo Translation A pinch of kolanut will eventually grow to become a lobe And after full germination, it will become a full kolanut This was the Ifa cast for Alakesi And cast for Alakenta The Ifa was also cast for Alake idandan Contaminated bean seedling can be more lethal than poison He was advised to offer ebo He complied Life became so befitting for alakeesi Life was befitting for Alakenta Alake idandan too had a befitting life Contaminated bean seedling can be more lethal than poison! 3. In this odu, Ifa warns all to be truthful in all their dealings so that things shall go on well. Ifa says that all those who are in habit of lying, treachery and back-biting shall regret their actions. Ifa has come to deal with such people. We must also not renege on our promise; we should be straight forward and truthful at all times. On this, Ifa says: A se’bi sile aja n roju Ai se’bi sile aja n roju Ipori aja kan ni o j’obi ri Dia fun Aja A bu fun Aaya Won ni ki won rubo Aja nikan ni nbe leyin ti nsebo Iro le pa mo aja Aja o mobi je Ipori Aja kan o jobi ri Translation A pinch of kolanut was thrown to the ground, but dog started to frown then another pinch was thrown to the ground, yet dog started to frown But the dog ancestors never tasted kolanut These were Ifa’s messages to Aja, dog Also declared to Aaya, monkey They were advised to offer ebo It was only Aja that complied You have really lied against Aja Aja will never eat kolanut Because Aja’s ancestors never tasted kolanut 4. Ifa says that there will be a lot of threats and danger this year, but assures us that we shall be protected from from any form of danger. In this wise, each and every one of us should offer ebo with 2 roosters and to feed Ifa with rat and fish. On this, Ifa says: Akeekee abija wanwa Dia fun Olowo Tii somo bibi inu Agbonniregun Ebo ni won ni o waa se Eje Olowo o lo o Baa paa ronu owu A roko abe e re o Owo, e j’Olowo o lo o Owo Translation Akeekee abija wanwa (alias of babalawo) He cast Ifa for Olowo Who was the offspring of Agbonniregun He was advised to offer ebo Please let Olowo be honoured and protected If we are to consider the cotton plant We will be prompted to clear the weeds underneath Let Olowo be honoured and protected 5. Ifa foresees Ire of longevity for us. Ifa says that this year’s festival and ebo have been accepted and that we must continue to celebrate the Ifa festival on a yearly basis. On this, Ifa says: Asebi sile, ikoo doro Agbahuye ika Adagba hurugbon iyewu Ikonko feufeu Iranra gesigesi Ibi a igbo si lodun- nii Ibe la o baa leemii Dia fun olofin Omo afaiku sayo Ebo ni ko se O gbebo, o rubo Agogo kin la o maa un Todun-un wa ba de ? Agogo aiku la o maa un Todun-un wa ba de O ma di kirijan laa bope siuju Translation Asebi sile, ikoo doro Agbahuye ika Adagba hurugbon iyewu Ikonko feufeu Iranra gesigesi Ibi a igbo si lodun- nii Ibe la o baa leemii These were the babalawos who cast Ifa for Olofin The on who was basking in the euphoria of longevity He was advised to offer ebo He complied What type of rhythm shall we sound when our festival is due? The sound of longevity is what we will sound during our festival. 6. Ifa says that we should offer ebo for good health. This ebo will avert unforeseen ailments that may render one bedridden. In this case, we need to offer ebo with a rooster. On this, Ifa says: Asebi sile, aja nroju A o sebi sile, aja nroju Ipori aja kan o jobi ri Emi laja o fobi se? Dia fun digbaro Tii somokunrin ode Osu moriro o Koo ma dubule Oro gangan laa b’Osu Translation A pinch of kolanut was thrown to the ground, but dog started to frown When another pinch was thrown to the ground, yet dog started to frown But the dog ancestors never tasted kolanut What would a dog do with a kolanut These were the messages of Ifa to Digbaro Who was the male offspring in the land of Ode Osu (the staff) be upright Do not lie prostrate 7. Ifa foresees ire of wealth for members. The wealthy ones should not neglect their subjects and should always take them into consideration in whatever they do. This is to enable them have peace of mind in their lifetime. In this case, they should offer 2 pillows as part of the sacrifice materials. On this Ifa says: Abuke abenu gbaro Arara abebo gbeke Dia fun timuotimin Tii saburo leyin ola Won ni ko rubo O gbebo, o rubo Translation The hunch-back with his pouting mouth The dwarf with his big liver This was the Ifa cast for Timutimu (pillow) Who was the elder brother of Ola He was advised to offer ebo He complied 8. Ifa foresees Ire gbogbo for us this year. I fa says that the International council for Ifa Religion has come to stay and is bound to succeed. According to Ifa, the Council is destined with all in life right from heaven and that this Ire also extends to all members of the council. In this wise, we need to offer an all encompassing ebo (Arukore) and to propitiate our individual Ori. On this,Ifa says: Ose teteete Ire teteete Dia fun Ori Ori ntorun bo wade aye Ebo ni won ni ko se O gbebo, o rubo Aoanpa laa aso Atari aake ni o ni mndumudu Dia fun sensentisoro Tii sonibode Olorun Sensentisoro B’olugbon se nwi Ko too lo nihin-in ree o Sensentisoro maa gbo o B’aresa se n wi Ko too lo nihin-in ree o Sensentisoro maa gbo o B’owarangun se n wi Ko too lo nihin-in ree o Sensentisoro maa gbo o Translation Ọ̀ṣẹ́ tétéété And Ọ̀ṣẹ́ tétéété (Ọ̀ṣẹ́ Ìrẹtẹ̀) They were the Awo who cast Ifá for Orí When coming from heaven to earth He was advised to offer ẹbọ And he complied Apáńpá l’áàáṣó (He who has a strong, thick tuft of hair) Àtàrí àáké ni ò ní mùdùmúdù (the head of an axe has no brains) They were the Awo who cast Ifá for Ṣenṣentìṣòrò, the destiny recorder in heaven He was advised to offer ẹbọ He complied Ṣenṣentìṣòrò, please listen attentively Ṣenṣentìṣòrò This was the same way Olúgbọ́n chose his destiny before departing for the earth Ṣenṣentìṣòrò, please pay attention Ṣenṣentìṣòrò Arẹ̀sà too said the same thing here when choosing his destiny before leaving for earth Ṣenṣentìṣòrò, please listen carefully Ṣenṣentìṣòrò Ọwáràngún also requestedfor the same things before leaving for earth Ṣenṣentìṣòrò, be attentive 9. Ifa says that we should not forget to commemorate Ifa as we have just done this year at Oke-Itase. Ifa says that as long as we do this, we shall always receive its support in all our undertakings. All our wishes shall come to pass. In this wise, we need to offer 2 rams for the ancestors, 1 she-goat to feed Ifa. On this, Ifa says: Pepe lawo Ile Igbalero lawo ode Ogunna ni o wo ruruuru ko goke odo Alapandede lo kole tan Lo yojuu re sodoodo Dia fun oyepolu, omo isoro n’Ife Baba ree fi sile ku ni kekere lenje-lenje Won ni o wa ko maa wa soro ilee Baba re O loun Oyepolu o mokan Oun o mo dida owo Oun o mo o nte ale Won ni o maa tee basu Won ni o maa tee basu Won ni o maa tee basu-basu Won ni akoda o maa gba fun o Aseda o maa gba fun-un Oyeepolu o mokan o Isoro Olorun E wa ba ni toro yii se Isoro Olorun Translation Pepe is the awo of the house Igbalero is the awo of the frontage Cold amber cannot roll across to the other side of the river A bat is it that after constructing its nest And suspended it on the wall without touching the ceiling This was the Ifa cast for Oyepolu, the child of tradition in ife His father died when he was at a tender age His mother too died when he was a little child He was called upon to come and officiate the traditional rites of his paternal lineage He responded that he knew nothing about it He did not know how to cast Ifa Neither did he know the analysis of Ifa symbols He was then asked to do it anyhow he understood it It was declared that Akoda shall endorse the ritual And Aseda will equally endorse the ritual Oyepolu is a novice! The heavenly forces I beckon on you Please come and accept this ritual The heavenly forces 10. Ifa warns all those in habit of practising wickedness, lying, cheating, back-biting, etc., to desist from such act in order to prosper life and that whatever was achieved as a result the above will amount to nothing in the end. According to this Odu, the mother earth (Ile) sees all and is ready to apprehend them. Ifa advises us to offer ebo in order to overcome any evil/wicked deeds targeted at us. On this, Ifa says: Awon Sokundi sokundi Awon sokundi sokundi Awon ojise olorun o gesin Idena orun o rinkasi Difa fun Ile, Ile nsunkun oun o rowo bi Won ni ko rubo ni’rinwo nirinwo Igba ti yoo bi O bi irinwo omo Awon Sokundi sokundi Awon sokundi sokundi Awon ojise olorun o gesin Idena orun o rinkasi Difa fun Ile, O nsunkun pe irinwo omo ko to oun Won ni ko rubo nigba-nigba Igba ti yoo bi O bi igba omo Irinwo omo ile ki e gbo o Igba omo ile ki e gbo o Eni ba se’ka ko mala o Translation Awon Sokundi sokundi Awon sokundi sokundi Awon ojise Olorun o gesin Idena orun o rinkasi They cast Ifa for Ile (mother earth) When lamenting her inability to have children She was advised to offer ebo with 400 materials each She complied When she was to give birth She gave birth to 400 children Awon Sokundi sokundi Awon sokundi sokundi Awon ojise Olorun o gesin Idena orun o rinkasi They also cast Ifa for Ile When she was lamenting that her 400 children were not enough She was advised to offer ebo with 200 materials each She complied When she was to give birth She gave birth to 200 children The 400 children of Ile be attentive The 200 children of Ile, also be attentive Whoever practices evil deed shall not prosper Aboru! Aboye!! Abosise!!! __________________ Osunkoya-Ifayomi formerly known as Kwaku Aiye loja Orun Nile O Earth is a marketplace Heaven is home http://ileiwosanorunmilamimotemple.freeservers.com/ ------------------- {http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19263} PS: Sorry about the format in the above. Haven't done a lot of editing on it, yet, but if it is acceptable then I will try to get it into a better shape. If it is acceptable as is I'll not edit further. Gotta check the links, too, but I thought I'd get it up as soon as I could and see what y'all think about it. IFA says: ??? The head of an axe has no brains. ;) http://ileiwosanorunmilamimotemple.freeservers.com/images/in_the_spirit_2_175x250.jpg Araba Agbaye Awoyemi Aworeni Adisa Mokanranwale of Ile Ife, Nigeria, Osun State, Oke Itase Where Orunmila walked on Earth First! 16 Dec 2007 @ 03:18 by vaxen : IFA IFA is the creation, knowledge & destiny of the Laws imposed for the resolution of the Divine Powers of the Trimonogenic Universal Law, which are OLORUN, ELEDA & OLODUMARE. The ones who by mutual agreement created in concert its perfect work that is “The Creation of the Universe.” Within its vast interstellar space with its perfect work & supreme architecture is the planet called Earth / Aiye. IFA is the mysterious work of the Deities. Where each time that they touched or created something it was written or recorded in the mysterious diary of the deities, & organized scripture left to human beings in space to its witness of faith. ELA or ORUNMILA OLUPITAN IBIKEJI OLODUMARE, where the deities wanted thereby to leave. IFA.....the three Supreme Deities. The three great mysteries of the sky & space: Olorun OLORUN ALA - Deity of the sky. OLORUN ELEWI LESE - The one who commands & performs. OLORUN ALA-NUN - The compassionate deity. OLORUN AJALORUN - The influence of heaven. Eleda ELEDA ELEMI - The deity of life. ELEDA OGA-OGO - The supreme Being of the Divine Glory. Olódùmarè: OLODUMARE ALAYE - The owner of Earth & heaven. OLODUMARE OYIGIYIGI - The all powerful who will never die. OLODUMARE AWAMARIDI - The deity who cannot be found by searching. These are the creators of IFA, who finalized their work of the foundation of Creation, their work with the “Word of Ifá”. This is the meaning of all that which is unfolded to us. The beginning & the end of all; life & death; heaven & earth. The famous philosophers stone that so much of humanity has looked for, THIS IS IFA. 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