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picture25 Jan 2008 @ 16:30, by Max Sandor

(from an e-mail Ed Dawson sent me today):

A duplicate is a perfect copy, in all ways exactly "it". A duplicate is the original time, space, form, event, energy and Being.

A copy is flawed. At least one (usually more than one) part of it is not duplicated. The part most often misduplicated is time. A thing only exists in its original time of creation.

Another often misduplicated part is Being. All Beings in this physical universe separated from theta, from the coexistence of theta (the parts of God). They / we fell from perfect duplication. The only way to be inside this physical universe is to imperfectly duplicate absolutes. These absolutes are perceived as infinities from within the physical universe, because they appear infinitely difficult to duplicate. One fails to duplicate something, then something else, and another, and another, until the forming Being is only duplicating one remaining absolute. This fall came at different times, using different failures, and resulting in different final absolutes. This last remaining absolute is what the Being rides down into the physical universe as the core of its being here. Everything here is a copy, usually a very very BAD copy at that. True therapy (processing, auditing) promotes duplication, which in turn returns the Being partially toward the absolute, the purity, the infinity which it once was before it fell....

...Without perfectly duplicating another's Being, it is only copied. Affinity is therefore a vain attempt to duplicate another, an attempt that cannot achieve perfection without exteriorizing the Beings involved temporarily from the physical universe. When this does happen to some degree, love is indeed heavenly. The failed attempts form clustering, commonalities (false declarations of sameness), and group minds, the latter also known as morphic fields. All clusters, group minds and commonalities are characteristic of the bottom of the tone scale below the range of the physical universe, in the -100 through -400 tones.

Material lifeforms such as plant and animal bodies are each an almost staggeringly large number of separate Beings welded together by common purposes, and false copying of one another. Material lifeforms have their source in the bottom of the tone scale, rising up through the tones and into the range of solid matter and electricity in the 0.0 through -100 range. Every single particle of matter in a living body (indeed, in any physical object) is a separate Being, usually quite asleep, existing within its own space (home universe), falsely compiled into the illusion of union in this delusional physical universe. These are joined together into atoms and molecules. Every living cell is a separate organism comprised of these particles grouped into a common purpose. The cells are grouped into organs, and the sum toto of the organs into a single organism. Organisms are grouped into social groups, social groups into species, species into larger groups of related organisms. The organisms belong to (are property of) the planet they live on, the planet belongs to the solar system, and the solar system belongs to its galaxy. Galaxies are in clusters, clusters are in larger groupings, and eventually one reaches the largest group which is the entire physical universe itself.

All the groupings above form group minds which own the pieces contained within them. These group minds are, as I mentioned above, in the sub-physical part of the tone scale from -100 where matter ends, to -400 where Being ends. Therefore the active ruler of the physical universe is an anti-Being formed of all being within the physical universe, falsely compiled together without duplication, and existing very low on the tone scale indeed. The christians call this anti-Being the Devil or Satan. The Yoruba call the local manifestation of this anti-Being Eshu or Eshu Yangi. This anti-Being has direct control over events throughout the universe. In a praqctical, operational sense, Cause is at the bottom of the tone scale. A bright Being must be able to reach the correspondingly high tones of the tone scale, to have any chance of exerting any conscious influence over events. These tones are in the 100 through 400 range. Similar to the -100 to -400 tones, these high tones are not really inside the physical universe. Instead these visible high tones are COPIES of the Being's existence in the Next Universe Out, AKA the universe of Coexistence, AKA the coexistence of theta, AKA the Duplication universe.

Any perception inside this universe, of the reality of the Next Universe Out, will be automatically distorted by the very act of bringing it into this physical universe, as it will only be a COPY, not a duplicate. Beware, beware, beware of describing the Next Universe Out, because the more you say, the less you will be telling the truth. As a Hindu holy man once told a British officer, truth is silence. Gotamo (the "Buddha") tried to get around this problem by describing things in terms of what they were NOT. That is better than saying what they are -- but still, not a perfect duplicate.

If you want to go home, go out the top -- then duplicate!

cheers Ed

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25 Jan 2008 @ 19:41 by vaxen : Schwindlig/Psychomanteum
We seek a new world
as one people,
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more feeling,
more full of life

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with all sentient beings and with all peoples

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for each other, for life itself

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If you do not get schwindlig [dizzy] sometimes when you think about these things then you have not really understood it [quantum theory]. - Neils Bohr

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The deeper reality suggested by the existence of entanglement is so unlike the world of everyday experience that until recently, many physicists believed it was interesting only for abstract theoretical reasons. They accepted that the microscopic world of elementary particles could become curiously entangled, but those entangled states were assumed to be fleeting and have no practical consequences for the world as we experience it. That view is rapidly changing.

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Science is at the very earliest stages of understanding entanglement, and there is much yet to learn. But what we've seen so far provides a new way of thinking about psi. No longer are psi experiences regarded as rare human talents, divine gifts, or "powers" that magically transcend ordinary physical boundaries. Instead, psi becomes an unavoidable consequence of living in an interconnected, entangled physical reality. Psi is reframed from a bizarre anomaly that doesn't fit into the normal world - and hence labeled paranormal - into a natural phenomenon of physics.

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All things by immortal power,
Near and Far
To each other linked are,
That thou canst not stir a flower
Without troubling of a star.  

26 Jan 2008 @ 06:35 by Merlin Silk @ : the other side of the coin
...and isn't there also the effect when real good duplication occurs in the physical universum - I mean so good that it can't be - then the original and the duplicate disappear from this universe, because - - it can't be.  

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Asklepios knew the inherent healing power contained within the dream,
Giving mankind a chaotic winding pathway to healing, serpentine.

"Come. It is time."  

28 Jan 2008 @ 20:14 by eva @ : original Being
Then there are only 256 original Beings. The rest are copies? Created to have a chance to duplicate the original?  

30 Jan 2008 @ 09:38 by Dario @ : copy/duplicate
I think the first (best) archetype specialized in copying is ochossi or actor in general.

but probably the real goal (or strategy to excape the game) of this orisha is to duplicate the game throw the perfection or being perfect or being a perfect actor.

but if it sometimes is(act as) the copy of someone or itself then falls in loops without end.

in my opinion the difference between copy and the duplicate is that once you have copy something you have it in your memory, but once you have duplicate something you do not have it in your memory: you forget it... PUFF!


7 Feb 2008 @ 16:49 by ara @ : copy and noia
the game of copying ,or better, of creating ideal images is
the main game of the Being. Copying, copying, copying and
adjusting the reality in relation of don't have annoy. with the intent
to entertain soul, mind and spirit parts.... filling game. Auditing and processing do the opposite trying to bring NOIA into the Being's game.
then the auditing and other spiritual things are a way to create game or
war too. in this sense this GAME is taking the TIME training the
Being's mind to understand the mechanism to create and discreate what
there is (COPY DONE) and there isnot (COPY AS ISED).
Stay without doing anything is the mechanism (or effect) of real duplication.
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