en https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128/ A News Log by NCN member Craig Lang http://www.newciv.org/news/Images/ncnicon2-s.gif https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128/ 88 31 Craig R. Lang webmaster@newciv.org (c)2002 Craig R. Lang OrgSpace NewsLog 1.87 Tue, 12 May 2009 15:30:38 UT Tue, 12 May 2009 15:30:38 UT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 180 https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000211/#com101416 2009-05-12 15:30: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128">craiglang</a> on "tars in our eyes? ore on the question: 're we ready for the osmos?' ":<br/>h yes - the old question - how many times has our civilization been here, and where did it begin in the first place. am fascinated by the idea that we once had a much higher state of consciousness than we do now. <br/>he story of our rise(s) and fall(s) may be embodied in the ideas of dam & ve, the fall of tlantis, and many others.<br/><br/> wonder how many times our species has risen and fallen. y guess would be that there have been at least two. he question is whether we will go the same route and follow the same cycle, or whether we will break the cycle in one way or another. <br/><br/>ight we break the cycle by transcendence - maybe this time around if we do it right? r is transcendence just part of the cycle? any questions to think about.<br/><br/>hanks for your interesting comments.<br/>-raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000211/#com101416 Tue, 12 May 2009 15:30:38 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000211/#com101380 2009-05-11 05:56: comment by a-d on "tars in our eyes? ore on the question: 're we ready for the osmos?' ":<br/>freak out here, but just yesterday realized something that think will surface very soon!.... the tories , symbolic and other vice, about umanities "ast" =origin and "how it all came to be this way (as it is today)... just in an instant that ninety % of all ---- we 've been fed and still are,as we speak,) is to cover up the that "until" "dam& ve" (symbolic story) ankind was living ife ver lasting; "the aradise"/"the arden of den" are the (symbolic "tory" about that ruth. <br/>hen & "screwed up somehow and humans beginning with those two, so to speak, became ever more at the expense of ll else utside their/one's own skin which just happens to be the !<br/>o, from then on ever more of us started to "forget" that umanity just prior had known /had the chance to choose to become ull-time arthlings or to remain osmic eings, able to ascend body (& all into higher vibration = "into "ight eings" , so to speak) any time they so wanted.he all out of race = fall into the "ime one" marks the moment more humans became earth bound /with dying as "natural" (=) consequence, than humans who remembered their freedom and to choose the other option, which is !.... and have remembered that and actually made it back into their osmic eing-ness!... e can too!...if we want to!... do the ob necessary!<br/><br/>ell... ou get the drift, donchya? : ) know.... we "should sit around the ound table and chat!.... ut hope you can see my point and all add up all the "stories" =lies and see through them... t really is possible, and you see it nothing else ever makes sense to you unless truth is used as umanity's ottom ine ruth! https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000211/#com101380 Mon, 11 May 2009 05:56:46 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000210/#com101266 2009-05-04 22:55: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v13">bushman</a> on "tar travel sooner than we think?":<br/>ows it going? :} <br/><br/>m thinking it's probablly going to be easier to do than they think. had run across a website, and what they apperenty made, was something they called a hrust apacitor. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000210/#com101266 Mon, 4 May 2009 22:55:06 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89991 2008-01-11 23:55: comment by a-d on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>if you don't mind will respond to your ponderings about the differance between sychic and piritual: sychic is from person to person; a "horisontal" catching up aves in the ther, so to speak.... very much like (ood l' fashioned able at the bottom of tlantic for talking to people on the other side of the ond on your phone!...t works.... ) piritual is connecting via atellite your cellphone to someone else's cell/phone there -or here.... n this case; the , " here" is the ey -and the ig ifference!.... ow.... in terms of where and "how" we get our cosmic energy to live: either we do it , sucking life from others around us (including nimals lants & over all ature ) - we get it straight from osmos; "vertically" as it were! : )nd with this "ittle" difference a of () hings will occur in our being/ness!<br/><br/>#######################<br/><br/> ote:<br/>hanx. hat's one of the best definitions 've heard yet.<br/><br/>egards,<br/> -raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89991 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:55:24 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89985 2008-01-11 19:09: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128">craiglang</a> on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>hanks folks,<br/><br/>t's tough being so "behind the times" ... :-)<br/><br/>ut seriously folks, expected that this would stir up a bit of discussion, and see was right. veryone's comments contained interesting notes and perspectives. specially inetersting is the idea that each person may/will experience awakening differently. hat's one thing 've noted so far. <br/><br/>owever, have also noted that there is a critical mass building, of both psychic phenomena, and of spiritual transformation. he comment was interesting that they are not the same - very true, though question whether they are opposite of eachother. have noted that they tend to go hand in hand. ence the question (maybe the definition of "psychic" and "spiritual" is really the question, there).<br/><br/>hanx again for all for your comments. <br/>eep those cards and letters coming.<br/><br/>amaste,<br/>-raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89985 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:09:29 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89963 2008-01-09 14:22: comment by a-d on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>'m afraid!... ; )... nly a few of my statements were my comments to your statements, ushy... most of my comment was/is me commenting other people's comments here and my comment/s to raig's uestions. (ut as always; it was interesting to hear more of your commenting, ushman. hanks! : ) )) /-d https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89963 Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:22:00 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89958 2008-01-09 04:44: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v13">bushman</a> on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/> dont know what you mean ad, lol. don't believe in anything, am motivated by what know and see with my own 2 eyes. n old native american saying, "if you fall into a fast moving stream or river, don't try to swim to the edge to grab onto anything, push yourself out into the middle where its deep and go for the ride, till you are deposited into its destination". omething like that, lol. act is we don't know anything, other than the edge some of us have thru knowing the laws of probability, or whats likly to happen if we take a peticular corse of action. his is something that can only be learned thru trial and error. ome people might interpit it as phycic, but to me its not, see it as an educated guess at best. :} have no fear, as in, don't fear anything. make caucious decisions out of expiriance, and rarly leave anything to chance. still wouldnt want to be some soul sitting on a cloud playing a harp or lamenting all my mistakes or weeping for what could have been. e are here now, trying to answer questions that can't be answered other than with faith. osmicly bound as you say, but we know nothing about the cosmos, other than what we see with our own 2 eyes hearts and spirits, we still don't know what true either way, and that to me is the whole point of the ride of life, to be entertained while growing in all dimentions of soul and personal expiriance till we get to our destination. e may choose to get back in line and go on the ride again, we may choose to just hang out at some cosmic taco bar for eternity, or as on startrek once said about his cosmic home, "sometimes we take turns just playing the scarecrow". f the waters suck me down ll play the fish for awhile till that gets boring. :} https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89958 Wed, 9 Jan 2008 04:44:54 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89956 2008-01-09 02:45: comment by a-d on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/> would agree with a lot of what ushman says.... just want to turn the tables on nimal's behaviour as you say : "maybe a deer doing something out of revenge having mallis and fore thought." personally think nimals will have ever more '' to express divine ature, just like we do, the more the old -- crumble, fall away, leaving the ky open for the truth of our eing/ness to be expressed un-obstructed!... see this happening with all my four-legged more & more already!<br/> **************<br/><br/>(note, never ever confuse "sychic" with "piritual" ! hey are indeed each others' opposites! is falling apart,dying not allowed any longer as the source of energy: sucking other's energy, to keep itself alive, when not accepting fresh cosmic energy into one's being (in other words: vamperism is of psychic quality. f course; psychic can do a lot more -even some "ood" hings... but nothing that the piritual approach couldn't do even better!)<br/><br/>he so called "ew ge" hing is not really at all... not at all newer than the "ew orld rder" either, which is indeed to re-install the eodal ystem back in its lace.... ( which it left with the dvent of the rench evolution 1789 ) ou know; the whole pstairs/ownstairs -way of life as the only possible!.... "ew ge" in a new ackage, presented to the ainstream for the first time in 1934 ( or was in 1937.... with the advent of the publication of the first issue of the "ew ge agazine" etc....by the time the so called eosophicalociety set up its ead quarters in ndia. he ew ge is all about the uciferian "religion" /deology: ,,e of all others!... is all that matters ; to hell with everybody else! hey are after all there for . to serve & -only- ...tc,etc...<br/> top rooks follow that principle... as ucifer -is a symbol for , which automatically vindicates !.... <br/><br/>hen we have the (to the establishment really troublesome of ew ge, where people started to take & , ruth & onesty = /oral behaviour into account!... which is, btw, renda's and di's (and to some extent also my own )approach to "ew ge"<br/><br/>he cycle we are about to end now has gone on for millions of years back & forth.... and never quite made it into osmic wareness of onsciousness -the way we seem to have -at least possibilities- within our grasp today... ooo.... the more of us, who are willing to expand our nderstanding of beyond what the fraudulent "cience" and its "roofs" to keep up their lies (like "arwinism", "sychology"; a la reud, "echnology" -as we know it today, as well as all the so called "eligions" etc,etc... and all on foundations and they are about to crumble, the better our chances are to make it this time -as it were. <br/>[ http://www.rense.com/general79/church.htm ] here is an article we all should pay some serious attention to!... ead it all the way to its bitter end, so to speak. his is just one place where the sham is discussed. <br/>ere is another article, discussing our odern ife/style from another angle. ery poignant one!<br/>[ http://www.rense.com/general79/bel.htm ]<br/><br/><br/>he scam artists themselves have also published countless statements where they openly -and proudly- tell us how they screwed us with the false "tis&that" ( those "things" mentioned )<br/>2008 will be very interesting year indeed!....<br/>, think olara's 2008 urf eport, published here on by agical elody, is quite good reading, discussing what already is in full swing of "hanges o e xpected".<br/><br/> ***********************<br/> <br/>ushy.... ushy.... you are in real trouble out there in water (more like sump) you cannot tread much longer,; it will suck you !!! into its murky bottomless silt of the so called "cience"!... on't take my word for it: do search!...<br/> see a very good guy in you, with a lot of eart, who out of fear & confusion sometimes choose the wrong side of ife -which know you love, despite this dangerous mess/confusion/ in your nowledge ase. would hate to see such a sweet guy go down!... ) <br/><br/> https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89956 Wed, 9 Jan 2008 02:45:47 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89949 2008-01-08 20:25: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v13">bushman</a> on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>reo, don't you think your answers are like how a mechanic seems to expect every driver to know every tech detail about thier car and how it works, right down to the tech of how the fuel was made? don't personaly think it needs to be so complicated that one would need a degree in metapyhsics. :} https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89949 Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:25:31 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89947 2008-01-08 18:40: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v397">freo7</a> on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>y questions for the general world are this:<br/><br/>1) ow do you think a transition will actually occur (if it does)? : t is happening now in the . and it is happening with or without your conscious choice to participate - .<br/><br/>2) ill it be associated with 2012, or some other time? radual or sudden? etc...: es 2012the collective culmination (completion) of the change in vibrational frequency of the arth as we know it from 3 into 4th and 5th = composite dominating critical mass = vibrational frequencies of every atom of arth . ome channelers say that our time is not right as we measure it from the regorian calendars though and by it 2012 really is 2008 in niversal ycles of reciprocal energies which is what is happening now and impacting every atom of arth as said be4. <br/><br/>3) hat do you think the world will look like after such a transition? : what am seeing and experiencing already are added colors of the visible range of colors in rainbows and an almost sureal view of all that is arth from the 5 of us all here and now as compared with the old 3 view. 's all in the eye of the beholder depending on which dimension of us all and we are being and therefore seeing and experiencing from.<br/><br/>4) hat would life be like in such a world? behind the curve here in this !<br/><br/>5) ill it be sychic emergence? ome form of enlightenment? omething else? r will we simply learn (somehow) to live together in a better way? : ou really need to wake up and start doing your own because you can never see any higher vibrational frequency = energy band/range *that you are*. requested above are totally unique to and your programming = you accepted versions of so called arth reality but in reality that must include your universal accepted = believed reality also.<br/><br/> have wanted to tell you these things since the day came to ( !!) you were never to receive because you had it all figured so we all just went on without you.... until .<br/><br/>ah ii ah ui dear late comer!! <br/>t * 2 !! http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v397<br/><br/>renda cann, aka reo7 *ee catch-up archives here:<br/>http://lightsoflove.us/llarchives.html<br/><br/>#################################<br/><br/>1/11/08 ote: <br/><br/>i renda, <br/>hanks for your comments. <br/> wasn't aware that had it all figured out... :-)<br/><br/>nteresting note about seeing that which is at the level at which you are . hat's a neat observation.<br/><br/>'m mystified. ave you tried to teach me something, individually? r are you speaking generically about the membership? ndividually, have never had any correspondence with you, so would be a bit curious about how am not open to what you have to say? 'm always interested in ideas and lessons that you, or others, have to say/teach/describe. lease let me know - perhaps by private message - if you were speaking 1:1.<br/><br/>n support of what you are saying, hear a lot of similar things from clients, teachers and peers - and yet do not believe that any of us has the absolute truth. n my book, none of us are entitled to judge another. one of us are perfect. he road to enlightenment contains an infinite number of steps. <br/><br/>ne spiritual teaching that find fascinating is on the oy of non-knowing. hen someone speaks to me with a lot of certainty, and furthermore, claims that am deficient in (something) - presumably relative to that speaker - this teaching, plus alot of discernment, come to mind. s aul said (1or 13), "...as for now, we see through a glass darkly..."<br/><br/>ell, enough on that.<br/>y original intent was to get input on peoples' ideas about what life will be like post-2012. 'm eager to hear peoples' comments.<br/><br/>hanks again for your insights.<br/> -raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89947 Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:40:18 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89891 2008-01-04 03:26: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v13">bushman</a> on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/> don't agree on your anan, lol. do agree it's about awareness, see it happening to all life forms, not just humans. nimals, rees, bugs, they all seem to be wakeing out of thier instinctive mind thing. <br/><br/>t seems to be a gradual thing, and in the end or the next resting point we may see animals and plants and bugs doing things not related to instinct, maybe a deer doing something out of revenge haveing mallis and fore thought.<br/><br/> think every living thing is phycic, the real change would be that of trusting your intuition/vissions, maybe knowing where that spot is in your mind that lets you see the future momments before they happen in the solid reality.<br/><br/> eems like it could get awfuly boring living in exstasy all the time. robably why the creator made the universe the way it did, lol. asicly think the ovs of the world don't want people to wake up, and will do anything to slow it all down, you know more people winning the lotto or keeping them occupied with news and sports games, not giving them time to just sit and think. o time to put logic to it all. ut some of us are very much aware of whats happening in this world, all we can do is point it out to others and move on. personaly don't like the idea of being one with all, to me, it will destroy the diversity and free will to be and think as an individual. ife is about death and death gives life to others, shall we be sad all the time? hall we worry all the time that with every step we kill a bug or something? ill one day we evolve into ods and can't do anything without causeing some sort of damage someplace else, what a terrable life that would be and extreemly boring. :} https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89891 Fri, 4 Jan 2008 03:26:49 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89889 2008-01-04 01:21: comment by istvan on "hat will/would the wakening be like?":<br/>1) onsciousness does not, can not shift, is in . s in the words of ay ae ah oh: onsciousness is reality. onsciousness is hat hich s. t is od ruth, the ne. t is prior to all things; it is all things. t is the cosmic energy from which all things take form.<br/>hat needs to shift is the awareness of this ne/od/eality/ruth. wareness is a modification of consciousness, adapted to operate on our level of existence, of forms. he limited human mind can not directly perceive realms beyond forms. <br/>o the transition has to; and will be within expanded awareness of this consciousness beyond the manifested.<br/>nly when od is allowed to descend trough the hart, love is possible. hus the transition will occur.<br/><br/>2) he mind always has to associate things it can not comprehend with things it can. 2012 is as good as any. he gradual transition is already happening if one can notice it. he sudden is almost impossible without prior preparation. <br/>3) our guess is as good as mine.<br/>4) f you have ewer been in love you already know.<br/>5) iving in can only be alluded to; within the world of the limited mind of humans.<br/><br/> this group () is mostly interested in sophisticated chatting. t might also be well to look elsewhere for more visions. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000209/#com89889 Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:21:23 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87231 2007-10-08 16:02: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128">craiglang</a> on "he rk and he rail - n evening of fascination and discernment":<br/>i ora, <br/>hanx for your comment. <br/>ounds like hear some views here... :-)<br/><br/>'m not sure that rank oseph directly/immediately connects tlantis and ancient gypt. e does state that the mythology of the origin of gypt traces back to a co-abidance of humans and gods. hether that's tlantis, can't say. f it were, then gypt would have to date back to roughly that period - and certainly can't say it doesn't, given some of the date anomalies w.r.t. the phinx.<br/><br/>he yrenees are supposedly where the rk was taken by the last of the athars, who escaped the lbigensian(sp?) crudade. oseph actually suggests that the contents of the rk, i.e. the crystal tablet, is what the azi's found. owever, he also offers evidence suggesting the contrary, that the rk is still hidden, perhaps in the yrenees (he also offers several other possible histories having nothing to do with the yrenees). <br/><br/>t is pretty well established that the did have kind of a crystal stone in their posession, and that they ascribed occult properties to it. ut it is only conjecture that this had anything to do with the rk. oseph admits as much. , rank oseph does more to explore ideas than to offer one specific theory.<br/><br/>s to whether the is accurate or not, my understanding from a wee bit of ible study is that it is accurate, but from one specific point of view. n one sense, it is historical poetry. ut in another sense it needs to be taken as metaphor. vents and historical figures can be cross-checked and found accurate. till, don't think the text is meant to be taken literally. <br/><br/>y understanding is that rank oseph's work makes sense if you examine his material. 'm not saying agree with it, just that it seems internally consistent and seems to have some extensive research behind it. here are probably quite a few theories that make as much sense. gain, use your own discernment.<br/><br/>ust my humble observations... :-)<br/>hanx,<br/> -raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87231 Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:02:10 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87211 2007-10-08 06:06: comment by <a href="http://vibrani.com">ibrani</a> on "he rk and he rail - n evening of fascination and discernment":<br/>his makes absolutely sense, raig. orry, but his dates are all wrong, the data is wrong from the scientific and archaeological and religious data. s you might know, am aware of 's and their involvement with ancient gypt and esopotamia, know ancient history, gyptology, and religion, and what you posted just does not work. tlantis sank about 12,500 years ago, and then the ncient ygptian civilization began. oseph talking about the yranees? ow does he come up with that? nd the only thing it has to do with the azis is wanting occult power and to rule the world. hey never found the ark. f you haven't already seen it, encourage you to see "he xodus ecoded" and read this site: http://www.bibleorigins.net/ ou may not believe the ld estament, and 'm not saying it's all accurate, but there is some truth in it. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87211 Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:06:08 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87134 2007-10-05 21:21: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128">craiglang</a> on "ot everyone is a skeptic...":<br/>ust a note to indicate that while many of the people have presented to in recent years have been skeptics, in other cases, the room has been full of experiencers. <br/><br/> find that overall, about 10% of the population has seen something unexplained in the sky, while about 0.1% to 1.0% of the population has experienced close encounters. t's really hard to be a skeptic once this happens. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87134 Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:21:49 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87125 2007-10-05 16:11: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v433">rayon</a> on "ot everyone is a skeptic...":<br/>ecently coincidentally, have been able to compare certain inherent major directional muscular and skeletal tendencies or directional actions to the movement of the arth. t is possible that our shape, the shape of our intelligent organisation system is dependent on the primary pulls and forces and weights and sizes of our solar system. ot joking anyone.<br/><br/>f we knew the dimensions and weights of other solar systems or sun systems or star systems we could hypothesise on the form that their intelligent systems would take. ur bodies, intelligent systems are supposed to be a microcosm of the universal system, they say, perhaps in this it is meant, the solar system, which itself may be a microcosm of the universe. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87125 Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:11:11 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87123 2007-10-05 13:51: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v433">rayon</a> on "he rk and he rail - n evening of fascination and discernment":<br/>with aurence ardiner. he rail and rk are not the same, unless the rk as described here (as usual) is a materialised notion of what the rail really is (as understood by religionists and spoke of by me in my log, agdalen). <br/><br/>he materialised notion, like the form of the abyrinth being understood to provide the meaning, whereas of course, the meaning comes from the persons submissive stance with compassion in the mind of accepting whatever happens (uddhist every day stuff). hose not in this stance can tap into the idea by located a memory device, so as not lost for all time, into the materialised notion representative of a state of being. his is my understanding of rk. eople like the azi's are about as far removed from "the state" of being as can be imagined, and therefore most likely to set about ardently digging in the desert sands and under pyramids to find the famous materialised form and authors and filmakers will jump gaily on such band waggons to regenerate the myth, and so life continues!!! ll fun stuff! https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87123 Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:51:16 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87106 2007-10-05 03:51: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "ot everyone is a skeptic...":<br/> have had contact since was a little boy though don't often mention it to anyone. here are top secret .mil proggies and people who know this too. he lid is off. <br/><br/>he battle has been uphill with some good reason. hat there is a plan afoot to simulate an alien invasion cannot be denied. ut, then, there are those of us who know. ho really know. aybe the time is ripe to move and shake the static state. ;)<br/><br/>es, aron, r alla is on the right track. xoterrestrials unite! ;)<br/><br/>http://www.eyepod.org/-kyler.html https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87106 Fri, 5 Oct 2007 03:51:10 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87099 2007-10-04 19:19: comment by aaronb on "ot everyone is a skeptic...":<br/>here are many around the planet who have experienced or are aware of 's and their relationships with various world leaders over many years. r.teven<br/>reer has hundreds of high profile first hand witnesses and has been on his mission to have the government admit its relationship with them. lso lfred ebre the site enclosed also has been on a similar track <br/>http://www.exopolitics.com/ https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000207/#com87099 Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:19:33 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87060 2007-10-03 15:15: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v128">craiglang</a> on "he rk and he rail - n evening of fascination and discernment":<br/>rank oseph talked alot about the rk being a capacitor, fed with energy from the crystal, etc. hen placed in an area with a lot of mechanical vibrations (e.g. a seismic zone), the piezoelectric effect could perhaps generate a hefty voltage. t's fascinating, and again, am not enough of an expert on non-main-stream archaeology to comment too much on that. <br/><br/>, at first glance, the electrical engineering of it seems a bit on the shakey side, but probably don't know enough of the details to draw a conclusion.<br/><br/>hanx,<br/> -raig https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000128-000206/#com87060 Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:15:41 UT