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OrgSpace NewsLog 1.87 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:23:11 UT Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:23:11 UT http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 180 https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com89312 2007-12-12 20:23: comment by <a href="mailto:eddiee189@yahoo.com">daniel odonnell</a> on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/>been going through this 4 7 years n have no 1 to talk to my circle of friends i cant reach i try but they reject me how can i help them n me? https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com89312 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:23:11 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000009/#com86146 2007-09-04 11:43: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308">vaxen</a> on "ubtle eings":<br/>ou've been here for so long and haven't noticed! guess it is high time for me to get down to the real harma work and see what else 've been missing... under the rocks. m just now getting interested in "lder buse" in the fine, upright, ation. and of the ree, ome of the rave?<br/><br/>ith ushtronix going live in aghdad, surprise visit, and the atraeus report comeing out, nevermind that he didn't right it, guess it is high time for me to realise just who am and stop playing around!<br/><br/>hanks, though a belated one, for your little gems. hey are appreciated by at least one other... https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000009/#com86146 Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:43:10 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000009/#com34473 2004-05-17 02:44: comment by celestial on "ubtle eings":<br/>nd you're to blame, you give ov a good name, good ame..." https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000009/#com34473 Mon, 17 May 2004 02:44:42 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000007/#com26740 2003-12-02 06:03: comment by swanny on "ntegral nstitute":<br/>mmmm perhaps but it occurred to me the other<br/>day that people have different "tolerances or skills" for<br/>chaos. hat might be "order" to one might represent "chaos" to another.<br/>herefore what might be "chaos" to one might represent "order" to another.<br/>t then occured to me that chaos could be broken down into degrees perhaps and that simple chaos might be the starting point of more complex chaos and or ending point of complex order.<br/>ust some thoughts on chaos. <br/><br/>ir swan https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000007/#com26740 Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:03:47 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26635 2003-11-29 06:46: comment by swan on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/>is both a difficult one and a rewarding one. y own processing through shadows at the depth you are describing has gone on at differing degrees for 18 years. hat stvan says above " he integration of of the fragmented soul at times appear as unbearable pain or uncontainable bliss. e have to allow both states to be as indicators of growth. <br/>" is so true. aving gone through the darkness, many times, am now experiencing more and more joy in my life. e come to accept the balancing of the energies, enjoying the joys and knowing the sorrows won't last forever. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26635 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:46:31 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26634 2003-11-29 06:25: comment by istvan on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/>ebastian. hey will eventually be understood by those who can handle the experiencing of the pain caused by letting go of the illusory comforts of the ego, that is, clinging to the idea that the world and od are separate entities and we constantly have to make a choice as to where we belong. he integration of of the fragmented soul at times appear as unbearable pain or uncontainable bliss. e have to allow both states to be as indicators of growth.<br/>any have described this process and their descriptions are important signposts on this path.<br/>"hen you have found the beginning of the ay the star of your soul will show its light; and by that light you will perceive how great is the darkness in which it burns. ind , heart, brain are all obscure and dark until the first great battle has been won. e not appalled and terrified by the sight; keep your site fixed on the small light and it will grow. ut let the darkness within help you understand the helplessness of those who have seen no light, whose souls are in profound gloom. lame them not. hrink not from them, but try to lift a little of the heavy karma of the world; give your aid to the few strong hands that hold back the powers of darkness fron obtaining complete victory. , , - ."-aabel ollins https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26634 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 06:25:43 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26630 2003-11-29 03:49: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v294">tsebastian</a> on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/>mmmm... ust an idea, see if it fits... aybe the act of "thanking od", in your case, is at the same time a conceptualization of all that is "od" to you and in order to thank "this odness" you must place it outside yourself. his results in a separation. ry allowing all that is "od" to you to be with you. bide "in it". llow it to permeate all that you think of as yourself. hankfulness is a quality that can dwell within this space. n truth there is no separation. llow this to .<br/>ebastian https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26630 Sat, 29 Nov 2003 03:49:00 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26618 2003-11-28 18:14: comment by spiritseek on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/> understand some of it and hope understand more. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26618 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 18:14:41 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26616 2003-11-28 17:42: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v13">bushman</a> on "ark ight - or isidentification risis":<br/> had an expiriance similar to what you wrote in your artical about 5 years ago. he one thing learned was, even when my prayers seemed to be answered to my satisfaction, would thank od, and then next thing you know felt baren. then came to the conclusion that not thanking od for the help kind of keeps him/her around. ike feel now that when thank od, he/she says "good", then your on your own and can move on to the next soul. :} https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000006/#com26616 Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:42:43 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26212 2003-11-24 18:13: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v294">tsebastian</a> on "lame":<br/>hank you ing, you did seem to duplicate my intentions here... y interpretation of turning the other cheek can even be more specifically described like this: f someone does something to you that makes you feel "bad" emotionally (ie, a reaction) and you take the time to fully feel out this reaction and understand the "truth" in it, the energy becomes available to transform the "identitification" or "attachment" that is being challenged. f you dont get it the first time, "turn the other cheek" and try again. eh heh<br/>his is not a beginners practice. ut it is a way to use everyday life in a transformative way to dismantle automatic responses and return to authenticity.<br/>ebastian https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26212 Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:13:15 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26049 2003-11-20 16:20: comment by <a href="http://ming.tv/">ming</a> on "lame":<br/>es, it probably relates quite well to that subject. f somebody stole your car, and you say "here! hat's the guy who stole my car!", or you were physically raped and you say "hat's the exact guy who raped me!", that will obviously be instrumental in sorting out the crime. ut it isn't exactly blame, and certainly not the kind of blame talked about here. t is identifying the perpetrator of a crime. <br/><br/>ut if you feel bad about yourself, and you feel just like as if somebody had raped you, even though nobody did, and you look around for somebody who seems to be sort of against you and you say "here! hat guy raped me!", then you're engaging in an act of deception. t best self-deception, at worst you're getting somebody else accused of something that isn't their doing.<br/><br/>t is in part an issue of being precise in describing what happened. f you indeed were raped, and you then say "ha, they raped me, the black people!", that would be a failure in properly identifying cause, and an erroneous generalization, even if the person who raped you happened to be black. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26049 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:20:57 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26033 2003-11-20 12:19: comment by vibrani on "lame":<br/>ell, if someone was raped or otherwise violently attacked, they couldn't point a finger at the attacker and say you did this to me, and am physically impaired and emotionally wounded because of what the attacker did? o you've just wiped out the entire justice and mental health system, to name a couple, eh ing? aybe this also explains why you don't "get" srael and ews? https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26033 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 12:19:58 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26004 2003-11-20 04:30: comment by <a href="http://ming.tv/">ming</a> on "lame":<br/>he type of blame that is unhealthy is when you make other people responsible for feelings and your actions and reactions. "ou made me feel bad!" kind of thing. r where one group blames another for their condition.<br/><br/>ruth will tend to resolve problems. o, if you find two individuals or two groups blaming each other for their problems, and the situation isn't resolving, it probably wasn't a useful thing to do. aking responsibility for your own situation, and working things out with others, tends to be most useful. <br/><br/> think the fingertrap is a good metaphor for that. n individual might not be able to get very far in terms of personal change before he figures out how to get the finger pointed in the right direction. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com26004 Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:30:30 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com25994 2003-11-19 18:00: comment by vibrani on "lame":<br/>and turning the other cheek sometimes mean you get both cheeks slapped, so unless misunderstand your post, do you mean it's okay for us to get slapped time and time again at the expense of someone unwilling to take responsibility? et's take this current case as an example: e can blame ichael ackson for being a child sexual predator and we'd probably be right about it, yet he has to be responsible just as the parents who allowed their children to be alone with the man must be responsible. s far as the finger trap thingy goes, relaxation is the way out of it, not struggling and fighting the trap. think understand the connection between blame, responsibility and the finger trap: you mean it's our own responsibility to get ourselves out of it. oes that let everyone else off the hook? https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com25994 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:00:04 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25993 2003-11-19 17:35: comment by waalstraat on "ircus ct":<br/>uh, also funny, tseb... https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25993 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:35:51 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com25992 2003-11-19 17:33: comment by waalstraat on "lame":<br/>good practice...very difficult...but it has very good results...and in most situations you can almost always say " was there" or " contribute to this" https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000004/#com25992 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:33:35 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25991 2003-11-19 16:47: comment by <a href="https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v294">tsebastian</a> on "ircus ct":<br/>o cotty, draw the line at drawing. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25991 Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:47:06 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25452 2003-11-09 16:32: comment by scotty on "ircus ct":<br/>ravo !.... ood for eb !<br/>(is the drawing yours too?) https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25452 Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:32:23 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25451 2003-11-09 16:29: comment by vibrani on "ircus ct":<br/>leave them for someone else to clean up? very different kind of poem, and a cheer - thanks for sharing it. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000003/#com25451 Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:29:09 UT https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000002/#com25373 2003-11-08 01:05: comment by waalstraat on "ears of oney":<br/> recognize a spiritual warrior when experience one... but what wonder is are you a poet...and don't know it...or a poet and ya know it...nice stuff. https://newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/__show_article/_a000294-000002/#com25373 Sat, 8 Nov 2003 01:05:18 UT