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The Sandorian Grove: The purpose of the white rabbit... |
Category: Articles 75 comments 22 Nov 2007 @ 19:45 by Dario @82.48.80.86 : i'm looking for the truth!I think we will/do know the truth only if we are into that! it seems the game never ends till we find an escape... so... if we are here, we ALL are dreaming! it's very sad. but, my question is... can we REALLY live this life without dreaming? 22 Nov 2007 @ 21:00 by mx @189.68.209.108 : to dream or not to dream, that is the q. we wouldn't be here if we wouldn't be dreaming.. doesn't seem too sad to me if one makes the best of it while it lasts... :-) 22 Nov 2007 @ 23:16 by Edward @71.118.49.225 : The dream The single god who is all beings was of course complicated by the Hindus who turn the supreme being into a triad of Brahma, Vishnu and Sheeva. So whenever the Hindus refer to one of the three (as an aspect of god), they refer to all of the three. So all their remarks about Brahma asleep and dreaming the world (universe), and the world being destroyed when Sheeva opens his eye, are all talking about the same big guy. And the big guy dreamed the whole dream before ever closing his eye. So can we ever think an original thought that has not been thought before? I think not. ;-))) 23 Nov 2007 @ 00:53 by mx @189.68.209.108 : great koan! "I think not" what a great koan! worthy of an all-time-all-star zen master :-) Was it dreamt before? why should it repeat? would you see a soap opera twice? (if you or I ever would see one once) 23 Nov 2007 @ 15:39 by ara @82.106.52.135 : become white rabbit I think that there are no truly new dreams .If you come to create a new game (never seen before) you are at the same level of the Creator and you are recording the matrix and if no one recognizes and sees , you can not share ... your game does not exist if there are not players willing to follow new rules. When someone sees it and is willing to follow blindfolded, you become a white rabbit, and your creation already becomes a dream. Until then my dear, you can have fun games to share that others can experience. Who knows if the white rabbit existed even when you were not entered into the forest and had not seen? perhaps he was there waiting for you notice about him or about his new creation :-) 23 Nov 2007 @ 21:01 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : subprime manifestation I don’t ask what the BIG purpose of ALL of this is. Although; it seems obvious this time around our purpose is to share. Max, I have studied your work and understood and learned. Our relationship is unique; it might seem like the same old song but nobody has danced our dance before. The 12 bar blues when approached with true wonder is often called modern jazz. Pure potent energy only offers subprime manifestation because our potential to manifest is infinite. A goal from the heart is not a game. Reincarnation is not a game. Life and death is not a game. Lovers making love is not a game. All these things have been done before and each time it was and will continue to be, unique. All children are born unique. 24 Nov 2007 @ 00:14 by Edward @71.118.49.225 : Generatives - Max said... Max said: "Was it dreamt before? why should it repeat? would you see a soap opera twice? (if you or I ever would see one once)" The key to this riddle is something Chris Melchior spotted a while back. He calls them "generatives". Generatives are automatic creations that come out of the "dark universe" (below the bottom of this universe, i.e. the source of the "static" Hubbard talks about). Out of the dark bottom are non-stop, on full automatic primes that propagate as fractals throughout this universe. These are the cause of repeating patterns of archetypes, scripts and playing fields. More details are in the 2007 archives of Techs4reality... you would have to do a search. 24 Nov 2007 @ 13:33 by mx @189.68.174.107 : super-goals / generatives it seems Chris talks about the same phenomenon that I described last year as 'super-goals' (see some write-ups earlier in this BLOG). They are above the collective goals and are (in its individual aspects) resolved via QLFP BUT ONLY AFTER resolving the collective goals (complete handling of the 'agree to agree or disagree' stuff. The circular auto-implant seems to consist in that the impulse to 'agree to agree or disagree' in itself is part of the super-goals ('generatives' if we are talking about the same thing). In any case, we find ourselves in paradoxical terrain (which was the point of the rabbit's discourse). Analyzing these super goals, it seems the manifestation of a dream is pointless, the dream itself is 'reality' unless the manifestations serve to create new dreams (or combinations of existing dream parts) that until now were not yet observed; Skywork has a chance to modify collective reality because it is done with more than one player involved while solo-processing per definition does not have this property. 24 Nov 2007 @ 17:28 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : source of generatives/super goals The peculiar thing about these generatives is their source. But first some background... This MEST universe and its shell of surrounding olodu has senior to it other universes. I say "senior" because of the two nearest, one appears to be higher than our universe and the other appears lower. The universe immediately senior to us is the co-existence universe. It has the apparency of being "higher". It is the universe that in the past has been described as "heaven", the "pool of shining gods", the "shining city on the hill", and inhabited by "choirs of angels". In it Beings use infinities and absolutes in playing very fast games. Those Beings in the co-existence universe who persistently fail and narrow down their awareness too much, drop down into the MEST universe as "fallen angels". Immediately senior to the co-existence universe is the dark universe, the universe of the Static. The absolutes use in the co-existence universe, and the binary splits of Tao used in the MEST universe, all have their source in the dark universe. Some shaman can access this place. Prime Creations which are splits of Tao like the olodu in the MEST universe, and also the absolutes in the co-existence universe, are being generated from this dark universe. The key quality of these generatives is that they do not appear to have a source. There seems to be no one creating them. Instead they seem to create themselves from nothingness. So... "Sourceless creations apparently on automatic". These are creations that cause goals, but are themselves goalless, or as you expressed it above, "pointless". cheers Ed 24 Nov 2007 @ 20:40 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : fantastic logic what is QLFP? and what is the Sandor&Dawson goal? 24 Nov 2007 @ 21:19 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : found it...Quantum-Leap-Frogging-Process QLFP http://www.orunla.org/pnohteftu/ch750.html 24 Nov 2007 @ 21:50 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Isu is having a lot of fun :-) "Time Track" and the "Whole Track". Ohm… Does Sandor&Dawson share Scientology’s greater concerns of the Whole Track? Are you two guys still trying to escape the universe? Ifa teaches us to trust the universe, not espape it. Divination is only limited by our world view. :-) There is no escaping the universe. You are either in the fields of multi colored cotton candy or at the dark bottom. Fear cannot reach bottom, lose your fear and drift down deeper and you will find the darkness is very shallow and it is very cushy soft. Dark Bottom is the safest place to go. Also, Isu is down there having crazy fun playing with a chemistry set. He will give you a choice when you get there, you don’t have to join his movie if you don’t want. But telling you now…. it looks like Isu is having a lot of fun. peace < 24 Nov 2007 @ 22:10 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : Well, actually... (gee, Mortimer) Max and I speak about exit from experience, both of us exit this universe for short periods of time. I even authored (accidentally, lol) a mechanical method for doing so using an odu. The space of this universe is iwori, contained or capped by odi. The method involves flipping them inside-out. Stumbled upon the method during one of Max's skywork sessions. As for terminology, Max and I use words from all over the place: scientology, buddhism, yoga, samkhya, huna, Ifa... even roman christianity... (I use "spiritu sancti" fairly often) cheers Ed 24 Nov 2007 @ 22:32 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : The method involves inside-out? hum.. i might spend some time and see your view. cheers 24 Nov 2007 @ 23:38 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : the technique There is a location 12"-18" above the head (in an incarnated person) where Life as the spiritu sancti enters this universe to descend into the thetan and upon the body. If you exteriorize straight up (as opposed to out the back of the head) and focus upon the shaft of faint blue light leading up to the fuzzy location where the holy spirit appears from outside this universe, you can move up the shaft to that point. As you attempt o move through that location (which has vanished, all you see is the shaft at this point), there will appear ahead of you a sense of infinite space. You move into that and it INSTANTLY is capped by infinite density beyond it. The infinite density (you feel like a bug which has hit a windshield) CRUSHES you back, to below the infinite space. But, if you prepare yourself beforehand you can counter this phenomenon. The instant you enter the sense of infinite space you create within your awareness an inner core of infinite density. Then when the density descends upon you, you are filled with an equal density. The next instant after, while holding the inner density, you reach out and place infinite space where the outer density is attempting to crush you. Because you are holding density on your inside as you do this, it flips the "space you are in plus density atop it" inside out. And you are free. The scientologists talk a lot about exteriorizing from the body. Child's play. This is exteriorizing from the material universe. But of course, you must be able to place olodu and odu to do the above technique... cheers Ed 25 Nov 2007 @ 03:29 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : inside-out method I tried the basic iwori/odi inside-out method and it caused all to appear inverted. Odi shrank and something initiated another dark bottom facing its opposite direction. Very cool Ed, this is the best view of parallel universe I has seen. Also, by utilizing 4 dimensional conceptualizations I can see a chain of switch back universes. Is a 4 dim visualization a fundamental truth? A 4d game http://harmen.vanderwal.eu/hypercube/ 25 Nov 2007 @ 04:29 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : uh oh... Sounds like you went the other direction... Did you get into the shaft of faint blue light? 25 Nov 2007 @ 05:00 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : 1-dimensional chains 1-link odi inside-out, where 0 designates the odi/iwori and 1 designates an outgoing link, 0 - 1 we can then form 1-dimensional chains that correspond to the positive integers z+ for which each vertex has 2 nearest neighbors. 2-link odi inside-out, where -1 designates an incoming link, -1 - 0 - 1 opportunity, ohm… -1 - 0 -1 - 0 -1 - 0 -1 - 0 - 1… repeat if necessary. :-) 25 Nov 2007 @ 05:24 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : the door No blue light. I just did it and it’s hard to explain… it would flash and push me back. It took about 15 minutes of back and forth. Each time I would analyze another odu, each time was very fast look. Intuition alone finally opened the door. You describe it much better than I do. It’s difficult to open at first but eventually I was able to maintain and visualize 4-dim. The 1-dim mapped above might help understand the 4-dim. 25 Nov 2007 @ 12:33 by mx @189.68.199.154 : both ways / paradigms: space vs density it works both ways, but starting with iwory is a killer procedure, in my experience. But I use 'spatial size/contraction' instead of the density perception. In other words, I make my space as small as the space of an atom and then it flips into the totalness, before popping out. But way cool, the sharing of stuff like this via BLOG... traditionally this was restricted to being talked about inside caves with heavily guarded secret portals.. 25 Nov 2007 @ 15:54 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Odi Solidity in space /Subspace vacuum 25 Nov 2007 @ 22:37 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Sharing Yes Max, I am very grateful for the opportunity. 26 Nov 2007 @ 02:42 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : killer iwori Yes, if you insist on iwori it will bite you HARD. What I do is rise up the opa osun (i perceive a shaft of faint blue), until I enter the iwori. Then comes the reaction, and I counter the reaction. I believe Max does something opposite: he goes small (negative pole of iwori) which allows him to expand infinitely. Matter, energy, space and time are held by the extreme poles of the four: space and mass. Of space and mass, mass is the negative, and therefore operationally senior. I realize this violates the standard Ifa sequence of olodu, but when have I ever stuck to standard tech, lol????? Heh heh... cheers Ed 28 Nov 2007 @ 11:38 by walking-mirror @68.209.134.124 : rear-view chicken-roast did somebody see a chicken? :-) 28 Nov 2007 @ 12:29 by mx @189.68.219.151 : it didn-t cross... the road.. at least not around here.. it was lost in the article.. 28 Nov 2007 @ 19:57 by vaxen : I ate... the chicken. In any case, even the caseless one, it is totally nice to see a few old timers opening up in such interlaced, unmitigated, guffaw! Carry on... Extra Golden got its start when Ian Eagleson was doing doctoral research in Kenya on the history of benga music between 2002-2004. Orchestra Extra Solar’s guitarist, Otieno Jagwasi, was helping Ian with his research. http://bennloxo.com/archives/2007/08/22/benga-in-america/ http://bennloxo.com/images/extra_golden.jpg 30 Nov 2007 @ 13:19 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : pre-established harmony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-established_harmony - Gottfried Leibniz's theory of pre-established harmony is a philosophical theory about causation under which every "substance" only affects itself, but all the substances (both bodies and minds) in the world nevertheless seem to causally interact with each other because they have been programmed by God in advance to "harmonize" with each other. Leibniz's term for these substances was "windowless monads". 1 Dec 2007 @ 01:29 by Ed @76.168.215.49 : "Programmed" by God? Leibniz is missing the mechanism. They causally interact because reality is created by agreement among all Beings. This is how skywork functions, by altering the agreements. 1 Dec 2007 @ 07:03 by vaxen : Nasty! So you're the ones! Hey, maybe we do not want our agreements to be altered? "Programmed" by God? Gold, Oil, Drugs... How about the acausal plane which, actually, cannot be said to be a plane at all. Beyond words...isness and Native State. True being, without form, void... 2 Dec 2007 @ 00:26 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : Level the Oneness On the perceptual level the oneness of nature experienced by observation is an ambiguous image because it has infinite interpretations, although perhaps within the context of skywork I understand what you mean. :-) The universe restores balance. Ifa teaches us that we cannot control nature but instead we can utilize understanding and good charactor to control our vulnerabilities. Perhaps the non-Euclid missing 5th axiom is: trust the universe. In the hyperbolic model, for any given line l and a point A, which is not on l, there are infinitely many lines through A that do not intersect l. 2 Dec 2007 @ 21:45 by Ed Dawson @71.118.49.225 : Re: agreements altered Methinks Vaxen doth protest too much! ;-) But it is the easiest thing in the world to get someone to change their mind (actually their feelings, which direct the mind). Cooperation is almost automatic. Remember your Hubbard, the highest purpose is creation of an effect, and that any effect is better than no effect at all? So if you move into a stasis situation where no effect is being created, the beings involved will almost fall all over themselves helping you to create an effect, even if it is one they don't particularly want! And they WILL agree to the new effect! The weird thing about morphic fields (fields of agreement) is that a morphic field will dissipate unless it also contains DISAGREEMENTS. The disagreements will hold the field together and guarantee its effective operation. See, it's like this: a disagreement is a type of agreement. It is NOT a lack of agreement. Instead it is usually agreement plus protest! So your protests constitute agreements to disagree, causing a persistence. Max knows what I am talking about here. Heh heh, he is probably wishing I wouldn't talk about it so openly... lol! cheers Edward 3 Dec 2007 @ 01:26 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : soapbox hero I never studied Hubbard cos I never was a scientologist... ""the highest purpose is creation of an effect""??? Ah what? you just move into stasis and then fart into the microphone. :-) 3 Dec 2007 @ 20:22 by mortimer @68.209.134.124 : You’re free to think for yourself ... The top level colleges and universities and various camps of thought, Critical Thinking gets low priority and the subject is just not taught enough. cheers 8 Dec 2007 @ 19:50 by vaxen : So does... Vax know what you are talking about here. And Vax also knows that our dear, dear, mentor was working for the freaking Company! Must have been one of those shards from the last in-carnation (Isn't carnation a brand of milk?) Hubbie loved his 'products.' MI6 loved the Hub. Good source, you know. As an OSS I can absolutely concur with ouran in his rendering of the causal persistance induced by static. The induction is in the ceremony (deduced from?) not the other way around and we'll forgive you, Mortimer, for mortifying the Scieno base by not being a scientologist (Though everyone really is, at heart, and that's the secret of scientology). So you'll have not a lot to fear from OSA because of/according to your renditions. I'm a Parascientologist myself (Glows in the dark and flies starships.) And a pretty good one (If I do say so myself.) No problem and it is always good to dis-agree cf. the above mentioned reason illustrated so...perfectly/imperfectly...by brother Cid De Ouran. Top level Universities? You have those in this world? Really? Can't tell from all the frightful bickering going on on your planet. And critical thinking does get low priority. The entrainment of the status quo gets you status quo and a little something else, too. The Agency knows best phenomena. Ever been to Iraq? Afghanistan? Darfur? Company made. Kosovo is about to 'heat up,' again, too...lots of work to do. Never any time to do it all in! So friggin MESTy! And max? He could put it all together, for sure, but the old Dada is out there skywalking amongst the never ending non existant static worlds of endless outer spaces. Thus has no time for us mere immortals. Multi dimensional, multi-versalic...absolute poetry. http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/images/EarthSong_Logo.jpg Music From Outer Space http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/ And his Free MP3 (Nice synth stuff) page: {http://www.musicfromouterspace.com/mp3page.php?page=MP3S} Plan 9 CIA http://qwstnevrythg.blog-city.com/plan_9_from_outer_space.htm A hoot http://eriklerouge.blogspot.com/2007/07/plan-nine-from-outer-space.html Another hoot: Leibniz's theory is best known as a solution to the mind-body problem of how mind can interact with the body. However, Leibniz also rejected the idea of physical bodies affecting each other, and explained all physical causation in this way. "Under pre-established harmony, the preprogramming of each mind must be extremely complex, since only it itself causes its own thoughts or movements, for as long as it exists. In order to appear to interact, each substance's "program" must contain a description of either the entire universe, or of how the object is to behave at all times, during all "interactions" which will appear to occur." - Wiki Oh, the preprogramming of 'each' mind IS extremely complex. That's what we've been saying all along! Damn the implanter orgs! We say that too. ;) Actually the mind of 'no mind' is really very simple. Start there, after you've been 'cleared,' of course. ;) Experientially, by degrees... Of course, in reality, where we are our being there are no such silly problems. BTW did Leibnitz work with Dr Gottlieb? Hal Puthoff? Ingo Swann? Price? Uri Geller? The CIA? Sounds awefully familiar; his stuff. Implanters rule! |
22 Nov 2007 @ 19:01, by Max Sandor