Xanadu 2012: Honor? Interesting...    
 Honor? Interesting...5 comments
2 Mar 2005 @ 01:13, by swanny

Now heres an interesting piece on honor
from the Wikipedia

Quite informative about this necessary quality:


Wikipedia
honour

Honour (or honor) comprises the reputation, self-perception or moral identity of an individual or of a group.

Honour, sex, and violence

Previously honour figured largely as a guiding principle of society, functioning as part of a code of honour for a gentleman and often coming to expression in the practice of duelling. One's honour, that of one's wife, of one's (blood-)family or of one's beloved formed an all-important issue: the archetypal "man of honour" remained ever alert for any insult, actual or suspected: for either would impugn his honour.

The concept of honour appears to have declined in importance in the modern secular West. Popular stereotypes would have it surviving more definitively in alleged "hot-blooded" Mediterranean cultures (Italian, Arab, Hispanic ...) or in more "gentlemanly" societies (like the "Old South" of Dixie). Feudal or other agrarian societies, focussed upon land use and land ownership, may tend to honour "honour" more than do deracinated industrial societies. Traces of the importance attached to honour linger in the military (officers may conduct a court of honour) and in organisations with military echoes, such as Scouting.

"Honour" in the case of females historically related frequently to sexuality: preservation of "honour" equated primarily to maintenance of virginity, or at least to preservation of exclusive monogamy. One could speculate that feminism may have changed some linguistic usage in this respect.

Cultures of honour and cultures of law

One can contrast cultures of honour with cultures of law. From the viewpoint of anthropology, cultures of honour typically appear among nomadic peoples and herdsmen who carry their most valuable property with them and risk having it stolen, without having recourse to law enforcement or government. In this situation, inspiring fear forms a better strategy than promoting friendship; and cultivating a reputation for swift and disproportionate revenge increases the safety of your person and property. Thinkers ranging from Montesquieu to Steven Pinker have remarked upon the mindset needed for a culture of honour.

Cultures of honour therefore appear amongst Bedouins, Scottish and English herdsmen of the Border country, and many similar peoples, who have little allegiance to a national government; among cowboys, frontiersmen, and ranchers of the American West, where official law-enforcement often remained out of reach, as famously celebrated in Western movies; and among aristocrats, who enjoy hereditary privileges that put them beyond the reach of general laws. Cultures of honour also flourish in criminal underworlds and gangs, whose members carry large amounts of cash and contraband and cannot complain to the law if it is stolen.

Once a culture of honour exists, it is difficult for its members to make the transition to a culture of law; this requires that people become willing to back down and refuse to immediately retaliate, and from the viewpoint of the culture of honour this appears as a weak and unwise act.

Related concepts

In contemporary international relations, the concept of "credibility" resembles that of honour: when the credibility of a state or of an alliance appears at stake, honour-bound politicians may call for drastic measures.

Compare the concepts of integrity, face (social custom) in stereotyped Oriental cultures, or of mana in Polynesian society.

For a similar concept with many connotations opposite to honour, see shame.

Quotation

"... during the time that the aristocracy was dominant, the concepts honour, loyalty, etc. were dominant, during the dominance of the bourgeoisie the concepts freedom, equality, etc." - Marx and Engels, The German Ideology.

"We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst." - C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

See also

* Code duello
* Chivalry
* Bushido



[< Back] [Xanadu 2012]

Category:  

5 comments

2 Mar 2005 @ 01:57 by swanny : Alas
Forgive dear brethren
I seem to be in error/era
I had not realized
"honor" was passe

Bows
and departs

sir  



2 Mar 2005 @ 02:22 by hgoodgame : Must take these things lightly ;-)
To sir:
In days of old
When knights were bold
And ladies wore tin britches
The men all carried can openers
The dirty sons of b***hes!

Or this one (Author Unknown)..
"Glory in the fact that if gallantry, generosity, and fidelity were to perish off this earth, they would still be discoverable in your own breast."  



2 Mar 2005 @ 10:26 by swanny : Integrity
I am wondering though if perhaps I am confused in that what I mean perhaps is integrity yet I can't help but feel that integrity and honor are related or highly related somehow
and that we are at time in a crisis of integrity or a crisis
of from my take "honor"
Anyway here we again refer to wikipedia has to say on the subject.....:

Wikipedia
integrity

For the RTOS by Green Hills Software, see Integrity (operating system).


Integrity comprises the personal inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from honesty and consistent uprightness of character. (The etymology of the word relates it to the Latin adjective integer (whole, complete). Evaluators, of course, usually assess integrity from some point of view, such as that of a given ethical tradition or in the context of an ethical relationship. People who for instance said bad things about their own grandmother might appear to lack a form of integrity.

Popular views of Integrity

Many people appear to use the word "integrity" in a vague manner as an alternative to the perceived political incorrectness of using blatantly moralistic terms such as "good" or ethical. In this sense the term often refers to a refusal to engage in lying, blaming or other behaviour generally seeming to evade accountability. It may take the form of a sense of etiquette that runs very deep, as in Confucianism or the political virtues.

Mensuration

English-speakers often measure such integrity on a one-dimensional vertical scale dominated by two reference points: those of the highest integrity and no integrity (also known as a total lack of integrity).

Some prescriptive dualistic schemas of ethics divide human activity into two fields and speak of behaviour as "in integrity" (appoved) or as "out of integrity" (despised).

Integrity in modern ethics

There exists however a more formal study of the term integrity and its meaning in modern ethics. It is often understood not only as a refusal to engage in behavior that evades responsibility, but as an understanding of different modes or styles in which some discourse takes place, and which aims at the discovery of some truth.

The Law

An adversarial process, for instance, has a certain type of integrity, in which those engaged in it commit not only to advance the case for "their own" side, but also to reveal where required evidence of use to the other side, to follow certain rules in the debate, and to accept rulings from a judge or arbitrator. Those subverting this might appear to lack some integrity, and that would quite possibly hurt their case. So the philosophy of law concerns itself with the integrity of a practical or process style - integrity as a measure of trust in results, which in turn determines trust in authority itself. Integrity rules themselves probably foster this trust, and thus argument takes place in an authoritative mode: "pleading" to it, asking "relief", and such, as a means of demonstrating acceptance of a common régime of judgement and redress. Those who reject this and insist on some other form of integrity may be found in contempt of court or simply found guilty.

Mathematics

In the philosophy of mathematics, a certain integrity often attaches to mathematical proof, which one can test weakly or strongly, as part of the process of accepting finished mathematics and differentiating it from folk mathematics. This forms a sort of definitive or formal integrity, assumed to differ from simple respect for authority - one believes a mathematical result has some integrity not because it came from a prior famous mathematician of integrity (as would be the case with a jurist perhaps) but because one can define the result as a tautology and it demonstrably forms a part of a larger and consistent body of mathematics.

Cryptography

See also: Data integrity

In cryptography and information security in general integrity refers to the validity of data. Integrity can be compromised in two main ways:

* Malignant altering
o An attacker alters the account number in a bank transaction
o Forging an identity document
* Accidental altering
o Transmission errors
o Harddisk crash

Another definition is that integrity is the assurance that data can only be accessed and altered by those authorized to do so.

Science

In the philosophy of science some clear differentiators exist from either of the above modes, since science concerns itself not with authority or definition but with investigation. Scientists endow the scientific method with a certain base integrity, and deviance from it or shortcuts taken or people being accepted on their word may all reduce the perceived integrity of any results - in effect science operates on the basis of a very organized distrust, in contrast to the legal method which places a very organized trust in prior judgements and precedents. In fact, science consists in general of challenging, not upholding or verifying, prior dogma.

Commitment Theory

It may also be reasoned that integrity is not an exhibit of any kind of so-called character, but instead is a manifestation of different ways of valuing and esteeming commitment. What is most interesting is that the best way to value one's own thought is not the best way to value other's thoughts, and the best way to esteem one's own thoughts, that is, to esteem their existence and temporality, is not the best way to esteem the thoughts of others, and valuation is separate from esteem.

Other Integrities

Studies of integrity also exist as it may occur in actions taken by the body, the body itself or its wellness, the mind, its cognition and consciousness, and politics, e.g. the political virtues or views of consensus, e.g. "consent of the governed". See the articles on those specific avenues of investigation.

See also

* authority
* validity
* doubt  



2 Mar 2005 @ 10:32 by swanny : hmmm
I guess saying "Your Integer" doesn't seem to
have the same ring or effect as
"Your Honor"

*smiles*  



2 Mar 2005 @ 20:51 by hgoodgame : I think we all know in our heart
what is kindness and what isn't, what is fair treatment and what is cruel. We shouldn't need volumes describing it, honor, integrity, gentleman; words we ascribe meanings to. But it is revealed in our actions what manner of being we are, other people's actions we have no control over, only our own. All I have power over is to act as honorably or gentle or kind as I can in any and each circumstance before me at this point in time. Everyone else is responsible for their own mess. ;)  


Your Name:
Your URL: (or email)
Subject:       
Comment:
For verification, please type the word you see on the left:


Other entries in
23 Aug 2022 @ 09:55: Gravity battery ref
23 Aug 2022 @ 09:53: Gravity battery ???.
2 May 2022 @ 06:45: How to Get Quality Dofollow Backlinks
23 Nov 2021 @ 18:26: What is Linkbuilding
25 Jun 2021 @ 15:37: Longitude at sea?
24 Aug 2020 @ 12:42: Climate and ocean
24 Aug 2020 @ 12:37: Climate update Aug 2020
15 Mar 2020 @ 19:11: Hang in..
29 Jul 2019 @ 16:12: Onward
28 Feb 2019 @ 14:41: Solar Neighborhood pic



[< Back] [Xanadu 2012] [PermaLink]?