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6 Apr 2007 @ 20:19, by swanny
LOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE"
Around 3000 BC
It occurs to me now that I read that the Inca and Mayan cultures failed due to changing climate and that the fields and crops slowing began to shift. I saw maps somewhere showing the destruction of the crops over a lenghty period.
and then it says in the bible that the Eygptians put up large stores of food 7 years? to deal with the plagues of locus and crop failure? What happened to the Eygptians? Was it war or climate change? I remember reading somewhere about climate change being responsible more so for the destruction of civilizations than war or etc. I think I saw a movie about it years back.
What happened to Eypgt? and it must have been around 3000 BC to 0 BC when the Inca and Mayans failed and Eygpt? around 1000 BC?
So the climate shifted as little as 2000 or 3000 years ago but where is the evidence besides the South Americas?
Or did they not know because it occurred so slowly or incidiously?
The RA Expeditions (1969-70)
Thor Heyerdahl continued his research on ancient navigation and turned his attention to the ancient reed-boats made of papyrus. These boats were deemed insufficient to cross the Atlantic as the reeds were believed to become water-logged after less than two weeks on open water. Heyerdahl believed that contemporary science underestimated the the ancient vessels and undertook to prove this by experiment. In 1969, he bought 12 tons of papyrus and worked with experts to construct an ancient-style vessel. The result was a 15 m boat which was launched at the old Phoenician port of Safi, Morocco. In the spirit of cooperation, Heyerdahl embarked under the UN flag with a crew of seven men from seven countries. The papyrus craft, Ra, sailed 5000 km (2700 nautical miles) in 56 days until storms and deficiencies in the construction caused the team to abandon their target only one week short of Barbados.
Ten months later, Heyerdahl tried the same voyage with the smaller (12 meter) Ra II. This vessel crossed the widest part of the Atlantic 6100 km (3270 nautical miles) in 57 days, from Safi to Barbados. Once again, this voyage showed that modern science under-estimated long-forgotten aboriginal technologies. The theory that Mediterranean vessels built prior to Columbus could not have crossed the Atlantic was thrown on its head.
In subsequent years, Heyerdahl continued on many other expeditions, including the Tigris river (1977) and the Maldives Islands (1982, 83 and 84). Now in his eighties, Heyerdahl remains an active participant in archaeological expeditions, as well as an international promoter of cooperation and understanding between peoples across the globe.
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Quote I use the on-line Wikipedia encyclopedia to gather information tidbits. It seems that when I have a question, I am able to get direct answers quickly (it satisfies my need to rush). Academia has divided the bronze age into three segments, the Early Bronze Age (c.3500-2000 BC), Middle Bronze Age (c.2000-1600 BC) and Late Bronze Age (c.1600-1200 BC). These dates exclude the Americas where I found this comment in Wikipedia: “The Bronze Age in the Andes region of South America is thought to have begun at about 900 BC when Chavin artisans discovered how to alloy copper with tin.” The Andes region was the only American region mentioned but bronze may have appeared earlier in other American locations. I also found this confirmation regarding the land bridge: “The Bering Land Bridge is significant for several reasons, not least because it enabled human migration to the Americas from Asia about 12,000 years ago.”
There is some evidence (summarized around 1998) for pre-Columbian transoceanic voyages perhaps between ancient Egypt and the Americas: (I couldn’t find this one in Wikipedia)
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"American Drugs in Egyptian Mummies:
A Review of the Evidence
Samuel A. Wells
Abstract:
The recent findings of cocaine, nicotine, and hashish in Egyptian mummies by Balabanova et. al. have been criticized on grounds that: contamination of the mummies may have occurred, improper techniques may have been used, chemical decomposition may have produced the compounds in question, recent mummies of drug users were mistakenly evaluated, that no similar cases are known of such compounds in long-dead bodies, and especially that pre-Columbian transoceanic voyages are highly speculative. These criticisms are each discussed in turn. Balabanova et. al. are shown to have used and confirmed their findings with accepted methods. The possibility of the compounds being byproducts of decomposition is shown to be without precedent and highly unlikely. The possibility that the researchers made evaluations from of faked mummies of recent drug users is shown to be highly unlikely in almost all cases. Several additional cases of identified American drugs in mummies are discussed. Additionally, it is shown that significant evidence exists for contact with the Americas in pre-Columbian times. It is determined that the original findings are supported by substantial evidence despite the initial criticisms." JohnM
That "traffic" in payrus vessels in around 3000 BC would explain the startling similarity between Inca and Mayan and Eygptian architecture. There are geographical variancences mind you but similar forms and functions perhaps.
Egyptian DYNASTIES : Old Kingdom (2705 - 2213 BC)
7th and 8th dynasties
At About this time the Old Kingdom state collapsed. Egypt simultaneously suffered political failure and environmental disaster. There was famine, civil disorder and a rise in the death rate. The climate of Northeast Africa became dryer, and combined with the low inundations of the Nile, the cemeteries were becoming rapidly full.
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So this is evidence that global climate changed whether warming or cooling occurred as little as 3000 to 4000 years ago and wiped out the Egyptians, Mayans and Incas and they may not even have known it was occurring but what was the cause of the change?
And Egyptian mummimies have been found with american drugs of cocaine and tobacoco because the Egyptians were crossing the atlantic via papayrus vessels around 4000 to to 1000 BC as proved by Thor Heyerdahls RA II in the 1950s
Apparently fire discovered in 400,000 BC was being used around the same time 6,000 BC by aboriginals and Europeans and others to clear areas for crops as the argricultural revolution that started in 40,000 BC was ramping up. It may be that the global use of fires for "land clearing" created sufficient green house gases over a thousand years to cause an abundance of greenhouse gases in the atomosphere and these gases may have caused climate disruption that caused the crops of the Incas and Egyptians to fail on the respective continents.
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7 Apr 2007 @ 00:16 by : Hmm
But also back then most of those civilizations worshiped the Sun, wonder why. It wasnt just because it made life, it was also because they knew it could take life too. Plenty of evidence out here of climante change going back a few million years, why would it be any different now?
7 Apr 2007 @ 01:00 by swanny : seems humans involved
It seems humans are involved at least to some degree and the period of effect seems to be shortening. This change in 3000 BC would seem to have taken about 40,000 years or so of human activity via the agricultural revolution to influence and change the climate, the one from the industrial revolution or so seems to have only taken about 6000 years to influence the climate. So maybe the change is slight a few degrees each time but if the period of effect continues to shorten that change at some point would result in well whatever so what you get is
1. The agricultural revolution took 40,000 years to change the climate a few degrees and it wiped out the Egyptians, Mayans and Inca, the most advanced and global civilization on the planet at the time around 3000 BC. via the use of fire as a tool in clearing lands for agriculture by humans perhaps as they more or less scorched the whole planet as they just lit fires and let them rip... and then planted their crops from the seeds they had saved as they didn't have ploughs till 500 BC? a rough guesstimation of the events
2. The industrial revolution took only 6,000 years to cause the current change of a few degrees and who stands to lose now? via the burning of fossil fuels to progress the current human life style and power the society and civilization.
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