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picture30 Apr 2010 @ 11:22, by Unknown

04/30/2010/Fri/am/CA

hmmm re: to huge ocean oil spill in Pacific,

fixing things when s**t hits fan not make terribly good policy or planing or make "good fixing", but fix away humans.

kenterlink wrote:Posted 2010/04/30
at 6:16 AM ET
I take it that 90% or more of the people posting here walk or bycycle to work and solar heat their homes.
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sorry kenter you over estimate humanities sense of common sense and underestimate its sense of entitlement and lust and greed.
90 % of the people wouldn't do whats good and right until the law tells them to.



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30 Apr 2010 @ 12:47 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Power
buckshot wrote:Posted 2010/04/30
at 8:06 AM ET
For all of those folks on Lake Erie's north shore ...

I bet our US friends in the south are really thankful it was just an oil well and not one of those big ugly "noisy" windmills out there eh? Why just think of the horrible consequences if a windmill had exploded and sunk ...

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Yea you kinda wish they'd make up their mind , either they want to watch American Idol and Whose Smarter than a Fifth grader etc etc and wash their clothes and dry them and cook and power their electric cars with electricity or they don't. I suppose the three choices of Nuke power, Oil/Carbon power or Renewable Power may be to much for them, I suppose there is the option to of no power at all hmmmmm Life is complex aye?  



30 Apr 2010 @ 12:55 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Einstien
Room with a view....

Earth/NASA link = http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=43846&src=share

Really mr Einstein everything is relative but some things are more relative than others wouldn't you say?  



30 Apr 2010 @ 13:34 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : hmmm
2010/04/30/am/Fri/CA

Yo World

Well actually this might work out for the best in that sometimes such spills and or leaks occur naturally in the ocean from quakes so perhaps we could develop and enact a natural/unnatural oil spill protocol if we still go there for when the rare natural ocean oil leak occurs.

ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 15:06 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : greenpeace
2010/04/30/am/Fri/CA/MDT

Yo Green Peace

Someone asked how they might assist, well I wonder if Greenpeace are helping out?

link = http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/greenpeaceusa_blog/2010/04/28/deepwater_horizon_disaster_will_impact_p

haven't heard of them sending in any people or boats or rigs or such,
Greenpeace lets get on it aye or are you to bogged down in the courts?

ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:08 by bushman : Hmm
Well, for one thing, the so called accident happened in the Gulf of Mexico, not that it matters, its a terrable thing to happen. Noting that all thier fail safe devices failed, and that the Gov has been talking about opening up other areas for drilling, some could look at this as an act of ecoterrorisim by some inside jobber. Seems fishy to me anyway. And for those of you who would love to see mankind relegated back into the stone age, shame on you for hateing mankind for striving to be more than just groups of hunters and gathers, your all self hating. Go ride your bikes, your not doing anything at all but yaking and doing far more damage to this planet. Mankind must get past this stage in our evolution, we arnt going to do it on bikes.

Now lets be good humans and fix the leak, Id rather see people talking about ways to solve the problem than whine about it and saying how evil man has become.

Heres one idea that could work, lower a dome that will cover the entire rig area that has a 3foot pipe/hose at the dome's apex, the oil will float to the top and easily be loaded or pumped into tankers. Lets not cry over spilt oil, and solve the situation. This dome can be made simply by useing a extra heavy plastic coated canvas material on a steel ring with a few manuvering electric props, once its set into position on the sea floor the oil will naturaly come up the pipe/hose, considering this leak is down almost 1mile this is the easy cheep way to deal with this tragic mess. If I had access to the materials I could build this tool in 3 days all by myself. Any questions?  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:23 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : help
2010/04/30/pm/Fri/CA/MDT

Alas Humanity...

ah the sad irony or tragedy of it all is that any Government standing or being voted in to do or have the guts to do anything meaningful and good and right for and by the environment would be committing "political suicide" as we can all witness and see in real time by the "austerity measures" being exampled and rioted on by the Greeks in Greece and that's an economic issue which the environmental measures would probably effect greatly as well.

I sense a Classic Shakespearean play here somewhere.

Horatio:
He waxes desperate with imagination.

Marcellus:
Let's follow. 'Tis not fit thus to obey him.

Horatio:
Have after. To what issue will this come?

Marcellus:
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Horatio:
Heaven will direct it.

Marcellus:
Nay, let's follow him. [Exeunt.]
Hamlet Act 1, scene 4, 87–91

2010/04/30/am/Fri/CA/MDT

Yo Canada

Here's an idea , Why doesn't Canada send some help perhaps the Dart Team or Environmentalists or Greenpeace or Junior Forest Wardens or Greenpeace or Katimavak or even the troops etc etc. Might collect more oil then commenting on a web site perhaps.

ed

PS and perhaps someone could draft a contingency plan if the same thing happened to one of our Canada's ocean rigs.

my point being that neither should have undertaken or approved such if they couldn't handle and bear the costs and contingencies.  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:32 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : 5000 feet
well good start bushman but you're thinking in a land context, try the 5000 ft down in the ocean or space scenario and it becomes a little more complicated,
if we could take your idea perhaps and make its weight about 2 tons or more it might provide a better seal to be able to deal withstand the pressures and buoyancy issues and be lowered down.
they figure they might have that done in about 90 days and 5 million barrels leak of oil later. 4 times worse than the Val deize
This thing can be seen from space now and by then should cover probably 50 times the area. but I agree about not crying over spilled oil but oil isn't as friendly and drinkable as milk.

ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:45 by bushman : Nope
It dosnt have to be sealed to the sea floor,the oil will always float to the top the steel ring being that big will easily weigh 20 tons or more, spose I could draw a pic, but Im clocked in at the momment. All they have to do is be able to pump out the hose/pipe faster than the leak, the flow of sea water under the ring will keep the dome area from totaly filling with oil to the point it escapes under the ring.  


30 Apr 2010 @ 18:50 by bushman : As well,
it dosnt need to be as huge as your picturing, it just has to be big enough to clear the debris of the rig, any oil that has escaped so far its too late, its what will come from the well till its empty or the presure has equelized is what we want to stop. Clean up of whats gone unchecked is a different issue.
The estimate is 200,000 gallons a day that is the flow we can stop with my device.  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:54 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : the white house
time is critical we needed it yesterday
maybe you should get in touch with the US coast guard with a detailed drawing and action plan and budget and equipment and man power break down.

ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 18:55 by bushman : Anytime
You try to do anything political is a total waste of time, and time is the issue in this case, controling the leak is what needs to be jumped on right now. As far as clean up goes, all those groups can have at it as they will.  


30 Apr 2010 @ 18:59 by bushman : lol
yeasterday is gone, no point in whining. Screew budget, in this case if oil companies want to save thier bacon they will work together and pool thier resorces, my estamated cost of the device is nearly under 1 million bucks for materials, and maybe 2 million to deploy it, we are talking petty cash to control the leak and recoupe the oil that is spewing unchecked.  


30 Apr 2010 @ 19:24 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : help2
2010/04/30/pm/Fri/CA/MDT

Yo USA

Well looks like we need a "relief Leadership team" in the wings in the states,
the 5 o'clock shadow is creeping in and the ties and buttons have been thrown out the camera and photo ops. Any suggestions to spell these stressed folks off for a bit?

Sarah Pallin no shes on a book tour
George Bush no hes doing the circuit too
Clinton busy in Haiti
Carter getting a little old

got anyone with experience how about the folk who handled the Kuwaiti War oil fire rigs.... they cap wells don't they? they'd ding you pretty good in the wallet though.

internet quote

"The first firefighting companies to get involved with the Kuwaiti oil well fires were from North America. These first firefighters were the internationally known "Big Four": Red Adair, Boots and Coots, Safety Boss, and Wild Well Control, Inc. Bechtel, Inc. provided all of the construction and logistical support for the project"


ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 20:10 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : visual
we have visual

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2010/04/30/horizon-rig-state-underwate.jpg

ed  



30 Apr 2010 @ 21:48 by bushman : Ok
so where in this artist representasion does it show the rig laying on top of the Well?, this pic basicly only shows how they will bore another shaft to relieve the presure, it will take weeks if not months to do that, as well as creating another potental blowout point. Also this pic does not show the area where the oil is accualy leaking.  


30 Apr 2010 @ 22:53 by bushman : Hmm
See it was such an easy idea someone beat me to it, lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9x5hRrH36Y  



30 Apr 2010 @ 23:27 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : 90 days
Yea I heard that to... it will only take them 90 days minimum to do it.

I heard Timur had a recent similar spill that lasted two months.  



30 Apr 2010 @ 23:40 by bushman : Right
and remember that mud volcano they caused in Indonisia? Thats still going after what 3 years now?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/01/070125-mud-volcano.html

Heres a pic of it today
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=42526  



30 Apr 2010 @ 23:58 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : legacy
Re: The 2010 Gulf Oil Leak Catastrophe

Well I suppose the "bright side" is that most of us will probably be dead by the time this gets through the courts so kay sera sera to all the rich lawyers that will be its legacy.

ed jonas  



1 May 2010 @ 06:56 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Atlantic Ocean Leak
Hmmm to bad I don't have any edit functions then I could simply change the title to the Atlantic Ocean Gulf of Mexico....
who has time in an emergency though for proper etiquette

ed  



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