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Category: Articles 18 comments 1 May 2010 @ 17:54 by bushman : Hmm,almost, but what your trying to do is cap and seal to the ocean floor, at least if you plan to close a valve. The ocean floor is way too soft to not allow oil to erode its way under the base, I mean your plan on this depliction of the device. I dont know the peticulars situation but for oil to be blasting out of the ground with the weight of a mile of ocean on top of it, the PSI of the leak must be extreem to over come a mile of ocean. If you close your valves it will come out the bottom unless you can some how anchor it to bedrock and seal it there. The dome I was deplicting in 2 posts down does not make a seal on the bottom, as a matter of fact my device would be kept a foot above the sand/silts, as well the riser tube/hose/pipe does not have a valve at all. I did not mention in the post earlyer that at the top of my device is a large floating pool where they can pump off the oil that rises off the well into tankers. They would only have to be able to keep the pool level slightly below sea level and by nature/gravity/siphon effect oil comes to the surface as well as never filling at the bottom to the point oil escapes the bottom. As a matter of fact my design accually sucks a small amount of sea water up around the inside of the dome base, basicly keeping oil from escaping at all. Just picture a simple hourglass except that its center space/tube is streached a mile. Id do a vid for you but our 8ft deep pond is too murky. But this is how Id show it. I have a bubbler to aireate our pond, the multitude of bubble can be the oil spewing from the well. The pond also has strong currents while the waterfall part is running. All I would use to show my device is just 2 funnels hooked together with a hose. Its just that simple other than the logistics of useing thier underwater robots to manuver it into place, maybe some phnumatic leveling legs and say 4 to 6 anchors that can be hooked on roboticly once its down, to keep it from moving around too much in the currents. My design is just made from the same materials they already use to make thier containment booms. Maybe some sort of couplings for the tube /hose so they dont have to make a single tube/hose thats a mile long, although it would be easy to make it that long into one piece and rolled up onto a spool for easy deployment. 1 May 2010 @ 18:12 by bushman : Ancient tech My device is basicly an adaptaion of an ancient device called a Naga, a siphon made of animal skins they used to irrigate crops. "The Nagas dug deep wells in the desert, siphoning water out of the ground with long, thick tubes. The exterior ends of these tubes were large and bulbous, and painted to look like human heads, in order to mystify the aborigines. The water spouted out from what looked like round, puckered human mouths. The heads had horns which were really handles for pulling tubes to different irrigation channels. As the flowing water caused these tubes to writhe and undulate like serpents, the primitive Arizonians thought they were real." Quoted from here: http://www.viewzone.com/baboquivari.html 1 May 2010 @ 22:33 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : More Visual 2010/05/01/pm/CA/MDT A further visual of the situation link = http://media.nola.com/2010_gulf_oil_spill/photo/beneaththeoilslickjpg-26ae69ad5b2d305c_large.jpg .... http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2010/04/30/horizon-rig-state-underwate.jpg ed 1 May 2010 @ 23:20 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : more 2010/05/01/pm/Sat/CA/MDT Not sure what to do about the oil pipe lying on the bottom as it will break the seal of the dome, it should ideally be cut away from the old well bore and the locking mechanism and sealing on and around the value needs work as well as the function and shut off of the bleeder hose and remember this is just a temp immediate quick fix, maybe the old oil well bore should be capped ultimately with a plastic cement filling the dome anchor through the valve. Alfred 2 May 2010 @ 05:51 by bushman : hmm They could just squeeze the well caseing shut, in effect pinching off the flow of oil. Kink the hose. 2 May 2010 @ 08:47 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : I quit 2010/05/02/am/Sun/CA/MDT well good luck humanity..... but I'm out of here.... getting to old for all this nonsense besides there's no money or joy in it. ed jonas 2 May 2010 @ 11:52 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Oiloin Doggone wrote:Posted 2010/05/02 at 7:32 AM ET Let,s see the Oil Companies screw-up big time and we get to pay for it at the pumps. ///////////////////////// somehow blaming ones pusher for ones addiction doesn't get one their fix nice try though ed 2 May 2010 @ 14:22 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : local 2010/05/02/am/Sun/CA/MDT the gulf is toast for a long while I reckon but... well if people are really serious and I mean "deadly" serious about reducing their "dependency" on oil and carbon and nuclear fuel energy sources, I say that they will have greater chance of success by acting and trying to effect their "local" community and council and to have them and the citizenry to get on the ball and on board with things like ecocities and ecovillage proposals and perhaps urban gardening, like whats happening in Detroit. ed 2 May 2010 @ 17:41 by bushman : Doing it here, we have a couple smart H.O.A's down the hill from us, who have allowed the residents to plant vegies in a few of thier unsold lots, rather than throwing a house on them and hoping for the best. :} 2 May 2010 @ 19:19 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : adapting well good for the bushman 2010/05/02/pm/Sun/CA/MDT well is there any "good" news.... well even if gas and oil gets sent through the roof we don't have to buy it. We can trade in for a more efficient and hybrid cars, or walk or use public transit, or a cab now and then or the train or boat. and we can pear down and budget our foods, you know it wasn't till that much recent that you could get foods of any kind all year long and we can grow a garden or.... and they have do it yourself solar panel kits now and you can increase the energy efficiency of your house.... theres no shortage of clean and green alternatives just perhaps a shortage of will, incentives and laws on such.... so all is not lost perhaps its just that all perhaps must adjust change and adapt.... ed 2 May 2010 @ 19:45 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : Economy 2010/05/02/pm/Sun/CA/MDT Yo .... hmmm I'm thinking the flaw goes right to the heart of "classic" economic theory.... it,.... life and the economy is more complex than mere supply and demand.... that does not accommodate the time and regenerative aspect of things. it thus becomes a matter of supply demand and regenerative capacity or environment, as supply and demand seems to work with non renewals but has no regenerative aspect in renewals or ecological economics. Supply and demand works to in the pusher junkie mentality and scenario but not so well in the sober reasoning society. It seems being dependent on things with a finite supply you're just setting civilization and ourselves up for failure and dependency on a top down centralized authority, such is not real or true or democratic freedom thus. ed 3 May 2010 @ 03:49 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : bp Well I suppose the damage is done so we should move on... but we should try to minimize it by getting that gusher capped or at least slowed down, full damage control mode then shall we.... "BP chairman Lamar McKay on Sunday McKay told ABC's This Week he believes a large metal and concrete box could be placed over the leak in six to eight days as a short-term measure to control the gusher." CBC news article Sunday May 2, 2010 well then do it like yesterday 3 May 2010 @ 04:41 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : snake 2010/05/02/pm/Sun/CA/MDT Reverse Plumbing Snake Oil leak Capping Idea Okay new idea.... since the pipe is down on the bottom and leaking in three places, you could do some "reverse plumbing" on it and if you could get a manned submersible to "feed" a steel or wire snake into the pipe with some CO2 cartridge remote balloons on it you could theoretically set off the balloons all the way along the pipe to the bore head and plug the pipe and bore head with balloons of air.... you have to make sure you reach the well bore though sorry grasping at straws here cause I don't think the domes will work unless you crimp the pipe excess first because the pipe will break the seal on the domes or could if not located within the perimeter of the dome and if the waters above are rough then you couldn't place the domes very easily anyway but..... its sort of a medical procedure don't you know and in the dark a mile down I suppose you could put some sensors or locaters or cameras on the wire to send signals so you know where the wire is and when it reaches the well bore.... it might get stuck though too you know how plumbing goes.... but... short notice here and its late. ed 3 May 2010 @ 05:12 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : version 2 2010/05/02/pm/Sun/CA/MDT/11:11 Reverse Plumbing Snake Oil leak Capping Idea version 2 Okay enhanced idea.... okay rather than feeding in a wire snake into the broken pipes have the submersible feed in a reinforced "air hose" with balloons attached along and at the end and you would only have to feed it into the leak in the pipe leak nearest the well bore. The pump when the hose is fed in a good way 500 feet say could then be turned on and the pipe and bore plugged with the balloons. The pump would have to be sufficiently heavy duty to offset the pressure of the oil and be greater than it to keep the hose and balloons from being pushed back out of the pipe. walla it will work..... make it so ed 3 May 2010 @ 06:09 by bushman : The snake idea could work, but Id go mechanical, they could feed it down the largest opening of the leak, then have it expand down below the so called "safty devices" that failed. Then they could remove the failed devices and either permanently cap it or put working equipment back on. 3 May 2010 @ 06:19 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : either thanks bushman either way it should work more soundly than a dome, I had a good bad feeling about the dome idea something about it just didn't feel right as it had to many unknowns and variables or something. thanks again for your help ed 3 May 2010 @ 12:17 by swanny @70.65.31.24 : May 1 pic heres the may 1 2010 pic ed http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/43000/43862/gulf_tmo_2010121.jpg 3 May 2010 @ 17:27 by bushman : Right, although the dome or we could call it a oil confining colluum to the surface would have been good if deployed earlyer and still would be good to control the spread pattern below. But also it could be the drilling shaft is still down inside the casing, pretty hard to get a snake to seal around that too. 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