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Enocia Joseph: Veil or No Veil? |
Category: Articles 11 comments 13 Oct 2006 @ 10:00 by rayon : Will it be to good Avail?I wonder 13 Oct 2006 @ 10:26 by vector8 : Good Question. I don't usually get involved in politics. Yesterday this guy came into the library I was working in. He had his whole body covered including his face and he sat near me. I believe it was a man because I heard him speaking and he sounded like a man. I was curious about him. He also brought to mind the debate about veils. When I was at uni, I studied a module called "Cross-Cultural Studies of Women." One topic we discussed was why women wear veils. The Western feminist perspective was the veil was oppressive to women. However, veil wearers expressed the freedom they feel from wearing a veil because of not having men looking at them. It was a fascinating module. Today I had this strong urge to write something about it and so I did. To quote the great philosopher, Forrest Gump: "that's all I have to say about that." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109830/ Thanks. Love EJ :) 13 Oct 2006 @ 12:37 by rayon : Vestiges of openness I believe still exist in Western society; many pay taxes for the society they live in, others come along to enjoy that society as it befits them; some major contribution is required, not necessarily financial, to be made back to the system which supports the incomers in a way in which they are unaccustomed in their home lands which may have required veiling. But no, veiling in a western sense brings with it a even lower rung on the ladder of greater awareness. Where did the early Christians martyrs in the Roman amphitheatres facing hungry lions have to hide? 13 Oct 2006 @ 14:01 by vector8 : Contribution [[Vestiges of openness I believe still exist in Western society; many pay taxes for the society they live in, others come along to enjoy that society as it befits them; some major contribution is required, not necessarily financial, to be made back to the system which supports the incomers in a way in which they are unaccustomed in their home lands which may have required veiling.]] Yes you make a good point that a system like the UK appears to be offering benefits that an immigrant might not be accustomed to. However, according to the European Commission legislation regarding Free Movement of Workers, they are entitled to full benefits. See http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/cha/c10525.htm The media are not interesting in outlining these agreements by the EU, they are only interested in giving people the false impression that these people are parasites here to take what they haven’t worked hard for. As regards people from Asia. What about the fact that many of these workers are being used as cheap labour for the good of the West? It’s all fair game as I see it. Regardless of where someone is from, everyone should have the right to dress how they choose. And everyone is wearing a veil whether they choose to admit this or not. From a spiritual perspective, the Kingdom is ours for free and doesn't need to be earned. Now you see why I don't do politics. :) 14 Oct 2006 @ 00:11 by bushman : Hmm As I don't care if someone wants to hide his or her face, for whatever reasson, I do believe to comminicate clearly, when you dont know the laguage, most westerners use body language and facial expression to communicate. As well as the obviouse ressons not to cover your face, divers licences and picture ID, I dont think personal veils can be compaired with a phyisical cloth covering your face. 14 Oct 2006 @ 09:54 by vector8 : Veil [[As well as the obviouse ressons not to cover your face, divers licences and picture ID, I dont think personal veils can be compaired with a phyisical cloth covering your face.]] In the UK we don't have an identity card system. From a very practical and eurocentric standpoint, communication seems a lot easier when people can see each other face to face. However, instead of focusing on the practical the debate has become an opportunity to pick on Muslims, again. While others have used it as an opportunity to attack immigrants. This is why I compared the veil to personal and political veils. Thanks Bushman. :) 15 Oct 2006 @ 18:05 by skillz : Good points EJ I f=ckin hate jack straw! "However, instead of focusing on the practical the debate has become an opportunity to pick on Muslims, again. While others have used it as an opportunity to attack immigrants. This is why I compared the veil to personal and political veils." Absolutely right, I dont think its the muslims themselves that should be condemed, its the beliefs itself. Religion is an evil full stop. People need to stop doing things just because their told to. If you was to tell your mate you was going on holiday to one of the hottest parts of the world and they asked you if you was taking any suntan lotion and you said, nah, im just gonna cover meself from head to foot in black cloth, they think your barmey! 16 Oct 2006 @ 09:45 by vector8 : Religion Hi Steve, Well, I have no problem with religion. I was brought up in a culture (Sierra Leone) where we appreciated different religions; my family was part Christian and part Muslim. Muslims celebrated Christian holidays and vice versa. So you could be any religion but woe betide you if you're from a different tribe. Hahaha. The madness of humanity is always manifested in a different form. My policy is to stop trying to change others, but to be myself, the highest I know how to be, and the world mirrors who I am. Thanks, Steve. Love EJ 16 Oct 2006 @ 17:17 by skillz : Religions.. Hi babes. Lies are lies no matter what culture and I cant accept and respect anyone practicing themselves and inforcing them upon others, especialy the young. All beliefs are lies, hence the name belief, not fact. And to develope faith in a lie breeds ignorance,(denial of truth) which leads you down the road to all of the problems we see in the world today. I certainly dont have faith in man. 18 Oct 2006 @ 11:10 by jmarc : Another view from the distaff side. "And I don't for one minute assume that all women who wear the veil, in this country or elsewhere, are made to do it by men. I know the veil is increasingly becoming a thing of choice for women in this country at least. This is because there is much currency to be found in her immediate and perhaps wider community for doing so. And what is the market for this currency? It is a market that trades in the value of women as wife and mothers, and in her rejection of the world outside of this. She is rewarded for squeezing her existence into the tiniest and tidiest image of what a woman should be, and for her rejection of idependence, individualism and freedom of choice." From {LINK:http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=213|Butterflies and Wheels} 18 Oct 2006 @ 11:53 by vector8 : Thanks jmarc This is an interesting view. I saw a newspaper headline yesterday that stated 95% people were against Muslim women wearing a veil. Yeah right. Who are these people? Or are they all journalists? As a woman, I feel it's nice to have the choice and not have it forced on you based on belief or whatever. I know how freeing it is when I don't need to worry about dressing up. There is so much pressure as regards the beauty yardstick or how to act with other people. Sometimes it's just nice to be without worrying about social mores. Sometimes I wear a veil, an invisible veil. You know what, when I do, I am invisible, not physically, but people don't notice me. So I like having the choice to be or not to be. And it will be nice for everyone to have that choice too. I love everyone, even journalists and politicians. :) EJ Other entries in Articles 1 Oct 2012 @ 10:04: All is One 1 Oct 2012 @ 10:01: Love is My Protection 17 Sep 2009 @ 15:09: Going Gaga 17 Sep 2009 @ 12:57: A Method to My Madness 29 Jun 2009 @ 11:02: My Holy Communion with Michael Jackson 16 Apr 2009 @ 10:33: The Price of Harmony 3 Mar 2009 @ 15:31: Dissolving Cell Memories 7 Feb 2009 @ 11:14: God Helps Those Who Help Themselves - Revisited 7 Feb 2009 @ 10:54: Political Correctness 20 Jan 2009 @ 14:43: Unity Consciousness - In Practice
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