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Shreepal Singh, a Concerned Global Citizen: Do you want your name included in the list? List would be upgraded time to time |
Category: Articles 24 comments 30 Jan 2006 @ 15:20 by vibrani : No, thank youplease remove my name from this list. I do not agree with/approve of the charter as it currently stands, and do not wish to get into a lengthy conversation about it at this time. I've already expressed a few of my reasons why. (It's about the wording of the charter.) Thanks. Reply from shreepal Hello vibrani. Your name is deleted. I could not reach NCN site on 31st Jan. to delete the same. Delay is regreted. I appreciate your sincere efforts for the women's cause. Please you can always count my support for your cause. Regarding Charter I may simply say that it is neither perfect nor final. It is a working draft meant to be amended by eventual Earth Summit. Thanks for pointing out its deficiencies. These would be looked after by competent people when the right time comes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks, Shreepal. :P 30 Jan 2006 @ 16:48 by jazzolog : Yes, And Thank You for including me. I believe the important thing is to have the document established. Negotiation and amendment can come later. 30 Jan 2006 @ 20:28 by jerryvest : Yes, you can include me. However, do change Jerry West to Jerry Vest. Thanks Response from shreepal Hello jerryvest. Spelling is corrected. Thank you. 30 Jan 2006 @ 21:11 by vaxen : maybe... you should edit the ''charter'' and then re-post it for ''all'' to view and/or send it out to all the, ahem, millions of NCN ''mem-bers'' worldwide for review. happy ''implanting.'' nice to be in a reverse org board isn't it? i must, though, tell you that not all of US agree with globalism; also known as globaloney! 30 Jan 2006 @ 21:40 by swan : I would prefer that my name not be included randomly, as it appears to have been. I would like to see the completed document before agreeing/or not agreeing to add my name. Response from shreepal Hello swan. Your name is deleted. The complete document - as proposed for consideration by the eventual Summit - is available in these pages, that is newlog. Thank you for taking sincere interest for looking into the contents of the proposed document. 31 Jan 2006 @ 18:07 by rayon : Happy to contribute if I can. Very interested to see how it pans out - guess there can be diversity in a globalism, it is all about the signpost of fundamental motivations. 31 Jan 2006 @ 19:17 by vaxen : But... you may wish to study UN Agenda 21 before you get involved in any of these types of 'adhesion contracts.' What are you all agreeing to? In Commerce Truth Is Sovereign The Contract is senior to the constitution. Reality is made up of 'agreements.' Agreements are contracts. The law of the land is based on "CONTRACTS!" Be very careful of what you join and agree to...and read every single word. Already I see colluded adhesions in this little ditty. Agenda 21 http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/agenda21/index.htm 31 Jan 2006 @ 19:48 by vibrani : That's right Yup. 31 Jan 2006 @ 20:36 by judih : yes, Shreepal On the workgroup, I posted my re-wording of the budding charter. Until there is finalized wording, please remove my name. I can't sign something that is not yet written. Response from shreepal Hello judih. Your name is deleted. I appreciate your suggested language of Charter. I may only state my opinion that in the draft Charter not a single clause is superflous or redundant. Each clause there has specific scientific reason (my opinion only) behind it and the same is discernible from my articles. In any case, it is only a draft document that may be amended at one time at the appropriate time rather than in peicemeil manner. Thank you for your suggestions and the same would be used at the proper time. ////////----------///////// Hi Shreepal, Good to hear from you. Yes, i understand that you organized the charter with what you considered essential, but there are some areas that are unclear (grammatically, perhaps, or ambiguity in wording). These kinds of edits need to be addressed in an open dialogue. For you to explain the clauses and for the wording to be streamlined for maximum clarity. Style should not affect content. And no edit should alter the intention. To be discussed! Best to you, judih 1 Feb 2006 @ 08:32 by vaxen : hahahaha Judih, et al, that is exactly how the 'CORPORATE UNITED STATES' makes of you a 14th amendment citizen enslaving and binding you to their "CORPORATION" vis a vis by Creating a "STRAWMAN" (All Caps fictitious entity or CORPORATION) and the adhesion contract (invisible contract) that you never knew you were a party to, at all, is utilised against you for the law is that 'the creator owns his/her creation and what goes unrebutted stands!' Don't think I'm just blustering here on and on about this either. Study the way in which you have been swindled from your birthright. Find out what you are a party to via your Birth Certificate and find out just who that STRAWMAN is. It is your piece in the 'game of commerce.' It has been stolen from you and your Birth Certificate IS a negotiable instrument that IS being used, whether you know it or not, as solvency for the outrageous debt the traitors in Washington have accrued on each and every ''14th Amendment Citizen." Use your rights or lose them. In fact you had better know who YOU are to ''them'' then you can begin to set your affairs in order as a sovereign not a lackey or slave which is, basically, what they've made of you til you rebut them. One World Central Government? That's the theory behind the disfunctional UN. Give me a break! This ''New Civilization Charter'' is doomed from the get go! Better go and study the real LAW first. Here's a helpful link if you really want to know about what has been done to you to enslave and bind you via 'invisible' contracts. For your own sake, and your children and their children, please educate yourself. Please! http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/links2educate.htm 3 Feb 2006 @ 16:37 by rayon : Help Please Shreepal, I do not seem to locate this Charter mentioned above amongst your logs, can someone give directions? In the West there is still the tradition that people are permitted to develop at their own pace, at their own peril. I have read of poor communities in the Nile delta who rely on their donkeys for work mates, transports, etc but their owners are unaware that donkeys need food and water. (There is a UK trust that supports donkeys in the Delta). Shreepal this is a simplistic illustration, of a comment I have in relation to your work. This is why the Church says, come everyone you all, even if you have no idea what is going on, just do, and all will be fine in the now and the hereinafter, and by the way here is some Free Will which we assure you, you have. Even if some people who have cracked the code talk to their own blood in their own language, it is still impossible to give them belief (which exists in Western church just as it does in the East-as your erudite discourses show) - but even in their own language, not a single iota of change takes place, not a scratch, it is the greatest piece of nothingness one could wish to imagine. Whatever, a new charter offers it will have to be more than this, and that is going to be pretty difficult? But I am willing to help. 5 Feb 2006 @ 05:06 by shreepal : Response from shreepal nraye, hi. Charter is available in my newslog titled: New Civilization Global Movement: Intro. Activities and Charter. It was posted on 7 December 2005. It is absolutely correct of what you say of some people whom - even if they have cracked the code - it is impossible to give (them) belief,to bring a single iota of change in them, or to produce even a scratch on their thinking and I am not belaboring here under an illusion to create this change in them. This belief in all the conceivable manner and by all conceivable means has already been provided by Western Church and Eastern multitude of established faiths. What I have been attempting at here in these pages is to invite scientific mind of non-believer to be honest and sincere in his creed - the pursuit of truth, whatever it may be, to be bold enough to accept the fruits of his pursuit and to see logic and reason - that was not available there a few decades ago and that is now available today - in phenomena that were treated by mind hitherto as mystic. And, more than this, my attempts are not aimed at anything; I am only participating im my own manner in the phenomenon that concerns our common and collective mental consciousness. Things have been moving on since eternity under the dead-weight of their own momentum and they would go on like this in future too; with the passage of time,I (and we all here, like everybody else) would no longer be present; we all would be things of the past. I put a question to myself: Whay should I be a slave to a desire, desire that people should change and think the way I think, whay should I aim at anything? My common sense tells me: I must simply enjoy in what I do and also let all others enjoy the same if they find joy in it; whether a change happens in them or the belief is produced there is not my business. What I have been stating in my articles is nothing new. There cann't be anything new there. The prime realty which I have hinted at in my articles is eternal. It has ever existed there and have been known to a select few among mankind from time to time and also to a little more people who sincerely obeyed those select few. The thing that is important today is that Mind not of a believer but of a scientist is now ready and open to have a glimpse that was only known to the select few and in a manner that was mystical to mind and ready and open to give that glinpse a rightful place at the hallowed seat of authority - that is science. Science is lever of evolution today. 7 Feb 2006 @ 17:04 by rayon : Shreepal, I believe there is more than one Science. I know of two so there must be more each with different organising principles. Should we not be looking at the GENERATOR of western Science which chooses its own paths of the most profit regardless of cost to life? If I had one card to play out of 52 say, my card would be that ART and SCIENCE must be pursued equally (perhaps by democratic process) in education for everyone. Here there is a chance for Wonderment (regard for life) to emerge in each person, as discovery is made in each, little by little. Also that Art, has to include arts of the human body, as this increases knowledge and sensitivity and understanding of the body and its place and relationship to all else. Ones body enlivens just by looking at a beautiful body painting. In drawing the nerve endings in the hand (more than elsewhere) connect with the brain, with eyes open, drawing, a transporting energy appears accomplishing the drawing and a greatly deeper understanding. The Mystic as you call it, is in the ART. Education could be geared to prop this up, with other subjects naturally falling into place as totally appropriate. The subject of the Art matter approaches Constant time notions. Not much money to be made here, but there is much more scope for problem solving equitably. Western Science is not everyone's favourite subject Shreepal, at the moment. It contributes greatly to the sensation of Linear Time and all its attendants, motivation by acquisitions: Oh sheer joy of constant movement being the only now, cancelling out daily, cherished humanistic beliefs, putting nothing in its place, except more movement somewhere. Daily Media Menu of choice: todays Science story or WAR story. Choose and swallow, more tomorrow. Dear Shreepal, Western Science is not a hallowed seat of authority, I am sure I have misunderstood your statement, and I beg you to explain once more. Maybe the ultimate hallowed in your text should be "hallowed" indicating it to be only your own expression of meaning?? 8 Feb 2006 @ 14:09 by shreepal : Response nraye, you are right in saying that Western Science is not a hallowed seat of authority and when I used this expression in my comment, I meant this only. The word 'hallowed' was used as a setire on the claimed status by Western Science, which in fact it did not rightfully possess. I completely agree with you that there is not only one Science -Western Science - and you rightly mentioned the other one - ARTS - that is governed by its own organising principles. I on my part do not consider Western Science the sole depository of truth and its investigating mathod as the sole arbiter of realty. I intend to write an article on Western Science to expose its claim as the hallowed seat of authority to pass judgment on any and every thing as 'true' or 'untrue.'I intend to commense SECOND PART of the document that I have just finished. It would deal with the truth or otherwise of what I have been hinting at in the FIRST PART - and that would include an article on Science. Then, it would deal with the historical aspects of New Civilization. Please wait till then. 8 Feb 2006 @ 17:02 by rayon : Thank you, yes of course I will wait. The draft Charter was located. The points it contains are excellent, why are the others reserved? There is one word which may cause a hurdle. Truth. This is different to everyone, especially to those seeking a problem. This is why I propose Arts to on a equal basis with Science. The practice of arts gives direct experience on which practioners can use in relate to each other. Experience gives meaning to words not vice versa. I speak on this as a professional and try to use notions in common parlance in my field, (they will not necessarily be in the media because it has to tow a line on policy). It is a good idea to try to stay with notions others understand. I also intend to build up my case, piece by piece, and will try to use examples which you may be able to relate in your own way. For instance my nextlog is going to be on the Opposite of Classicism. In this way one can immediately differeniate between the two. It is fascinating to be aware, and so sure in the awareness. It increases the sense of standing on very firm ground which allows other natural view to be also very firm held with comfort all round. What you are doing is really fantastic. I am very interested to try and combine two such diverse philosophies for a common good. I shall be reading all your work with a view to finding those aspects which might translate in idea terms. It would be nice to end up with something that others are drawn to like magnets by its own virtue. Good luck for now. 8 Feb 2006 @ 22:35 by vaxen : So... Why even involve yourself with the UN? Are you an agent of the UN? You know that the Crown Developers Corporation of Barristers is called the International BAR association? http://www.ibanet.org/ And that the International Bar Association and all member BARs are the legal arm of the UN? Also that BAR represents British Accreditation Regency!? Why not, then, just go straight to the Masters that own you and by all means request their ''aid'' in establishing a New Civilization ''Charter?'' Of course it will all be a ''fiction,'' just as 'they' are, but who wants to be free anyway, eh? Its' much easier 'not to think' and to let THEM do all the thinking for you. You may wish to further enslave others with your meaningless drivvle but know this that there are some of us who are free, sovereign, citizens of the soil who will rebut you tit for tat in any court of any land till the day all human beings everywhere are free of the curse of the UN and other such implanter organizations who deal in nothing but murder and death, genocide and torture, and calumny of the worst sort. You've been deceived! 9 Feb 2006 @ 00:20 by bushman : Hmm Don't you think its worth a try to at least have a voice? Vax, we can't fight the NWO, the more we fight, the more power they gain. Look at the world, its still the people fighting the people, NWO governments just sit back and let it happen, maybe now and then give it a nudge in a certine direction. So we are here to show them that we are here, to wake the people not to fight, but to see the puppeteers and cut those strings. What better way than to play thier game and participate in the enevitable NWO's greed, in that this charter could creat a direct like for the people's oppinion and make a NWO government more democraticly run, to be the eyes and ears of the many. To be barbarians or not to be barbarians, that is the question. :} 9 Feb 2006 @ 12:42 by shreepal : Response nraye, yes experience gives meaning to words and not vice versa. That is the crux of the whole truth. Rest is secondary and we keep on fighting over secondary things. But things must change with with time and we should come to the point. I would be following your nextlog on the Opposites of Classicism and try to benefit from the same. vaxen, there is all the bad that could be there in our world. But there is some good also in our world. Yes, it is easy not to think and let others think for you. In my opinion the space available to 'me' and 'they' is being decreased with each passing day in 'our' global village. We cannot excommunicate 'they' from 'our' midst and make 'me' immune from 'them'. Our Earth is one and we 'all' come from the single source, 'our' common progenitor on 'our' Earth. Yes, it is befitting on 'our' part that we give a good fight - a tit for tat - to all the evil that is there in any court of any country. Let's fight together against all that that is harmful to mankind, to 'us all'. UN is corrupt and leading our world astray. It needs correction, rectification or, if not amenable to correction, total replacement. It requires global awakening on the part of people to be able to make on UN a dent first, and then its rectification or replacement. You lead the pack and we are one in that pack. bushman, yes I agree that it is worth trying and to at least have a voice. The more we fight, the more they gain power. We have to show them that we are here and that we are a check, a powerful check, on them. We have to wake people not to fight and make people aware that our fight is their strength. Ideas have great power. When translated into action, they change history. Uniting people behind 'truth and nothing but truth' is a great idea. Let this idea have its chance. It is worth trying. Even if we fail in our efforts, we would gain. Our efforts would show the path and our mistakes would be removed by the course of time. 10 Feb 2006 @ 15:02 by rayon : Well spoken Shreepal and Bushman. Vaxen, one never knows when the balance of the scales might suddenly tip into one's direction, preparedness is KEY, for the merest chink of an opening. The pendulum swings both ways eventually in everything. Others will surely rush in a change but without readiness. 14 Feb 2006 @ 15:58 by rayon : Valentines Special Dear Shreepal, I have now completed a reading of all your logs from inception to get a clearer picture of just where you are coming from here. Fredric Jameson, well known US theorist on Postmodernism, which is how I describe your thesis, has described extremely tellingly the very situation I see portrayed in this manifesto. ………The stand outlined here on the matter of the avant-garde, which remained, in high modernism, both Enlightenment and Utopian, sought to out-trump the vulgar bourgeois conception of progress, and retained the belief in the possibilities of a liberatory dimension to technology and scientific development. But the postcontemporary forms of such ‘progress, in global modernization, corporate hegemony and the universal standardization of commodities and ‘life-styles’, are precicely what Critical Regionalism seeks to resist. It thus shares the doxa of postmodern generally with respect to the end of avant garde, the perniciousness of Utopianism, and the fear of a universalizing homogeneity or identity. Yet its slogan of an arriere-garde would also seem incompatible with a postmodern ‘end of history’ and repudiation of historical teleology , since Critical Regionalism continues to seek a certain deeper historical logic in the past in this system, if not its future: a rearguard retains overtones of a collective resistance, and not the anarchy of trans-avant-garde pluralism that characteriszes many of the postmodern ideologies of Difference as such. …….. Quote from Fredric Jameson, (American literary and cultural theorist, b. 1934, a key theorist on Postmodernism concerned with considering possible effective social action to transform Western societies, against the backdrop of seemingly all consuming capitalism. In conclusion, Shreepal, unfortunately I must respectfully request my name be removed from the above list. It is unlikely that I will continue to follow your particular strands. One chief misnomena is that reference to Classical, actually you mean a general vague 'tradition' in culture as determined by yourself. The next ommission is that of any Eastern philosophical points which actually add up in themselves, the references such as are used are too far removed to be original ones. The manifesto is totally Utopian, read Plato's Republic, the basis of communism, and used for it by many (they all remove the extremely religious aspect of the lives of the people inventing Democracy). The sum total of which is Classical. The very kindest remark, being St Valentine's Day, is as put above, written by Jameson, actually says it all on this thesis. I am sorry to disappoint. Good luck to everyone. 15 Feb 2006 @ 16:59 by jazzolog : It Is Possible Shreepal has reached the point in his life where he has accomplished most of the material aspects that amount to success, and now seeks to reveal what he has learned of the spiritual. In that regard he has come to the right site. Essentially most of the people who frequent this part of NCN enjoy comparing their notes, but not signing up for some master plan...or seeing one's own philosophy summed up by somebody else. I hope you continue to favor us with your musings. And of course, you too dear Nicola. 19 Feb 2006 @ 11:46 by shreepal : Postmodernism, science and spiritualism nraye, hello. Your name is deleted. The proposed list is an open page and any one at any time may go out or come in on the page. On my part there is no occassion for being disappointed or rejoicing on that count. So far as the postmodernism, which you describe my articles and which has been tellingly expounded by F. Jameson, is concerned,I may only say that I am ignorant of many things. If F. Jameson also holds that desires, feelings and thoughts have existence independent of human life and that we human beings simply receive them when we are in receiving mode, then that shows that I am not the only one there to receive those thoughts and at least one more, F. Jameson, is there to share them. In fact, in my opinion all thoughts already exist there in nature and they simply get received at appropriate times by appropriate persons. jazzolog, hello. You rightly say that I have now come to the point where all science's conclusions end and spiritualism commenses. The first part of my articles was devoted to different branches of science and their logical conclusions only to prepare one's mind to get ready and become well disposed towards receiving higher truth that I intend to deal with in my articles in second part. 8 Mar 2006 @ 13:39 by rayon : Post Modern is the very generator of itself, a rickety raft on which to float. A labyrynth with no exit, but with pretty walls. 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